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Joe DiMaggio authentic?

Does this appear authentic?

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Permalink Reply by R T on May 25, 2014 at 12:03pm

Good read Mr. Miyagi! I agree with the points you have implemented and that's why I became a member @ this site. I love this hobby and I want to be educated on how to determine if an autograph could likely or not likely be genuine, just so im not at the mercy of the business part you mentioned. I enjoy looking at an Autograph and having an opinion on whether its genuine or not and possibly buying the item for my collection. I also collect antiques because of the history they have come from.

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Miyagi on May 25, 2014 at 3:36pm

Thank you sir. I just try to keep it as real as possible. Some people on here hate that I am starting to see. HAHAHA

Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on May 25, 2014 at 11:06pm

Fair enough Miyagi,

You may not be a seller of forgeries, but i hardly was being dumb or stupid. In fact quite the opposite. I saw the LOl comments and didnt comment at first b/c i thought you may be laughing at the forgeries. But after Wascher asked you about it, your reply was strait out of the forgery sellers handbook. I have never heard a knowledgeable collector once say "You can never tell if its real or not unless you saw it signed", or "if your happy with it, who cares if others think its authentic". As a seasoned collector, and member of numerous boards, you must know this as well. as this is word for word what every crooked ebay seller always spews. And you very well may not be in that category.

But i call a spade a spade, and this is the impression your replies have given off. I noticed you stated that i was just mad bc you were disagreeing with others??? Now how is that? Until the reply above, you had supplied no information at all, only laughing at others comments. So how is that disagreeing b/c you had a different opinion. There was no opinion, just laughter. And i certainly could care less if your opinion differs, as with every thread on here, normally someones does.

But i will concede that you may be legit, but that was the opposite to what all your replies suggested. But in a case like this, i am pleased to be proven wrong.

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Permalink Reply by Mr. Miyagi on May 27, 2014 at 2:10pm

The point I was making by saying if he wants the photo to buy it an not care is because at the end of the day whether We, JSA or PSA approves it or not for the most part really doesn't matter if he wants and likes the photo as much as he indicated he did. Why you ask, do I have such an opinion if I care so much about the hobby right?

Well I have been in this buying and selling hobby for quite some time now. And I KNOW that no matter how much we think we know, we dont know everything. We have opinions. Thats it. Just like these authenticators we trust to authenticate. Are they always right? No. But they run the business and their COAs mean everything to most people it goes with the territory. I can not relay enough how much weight people put on their COAs no matter how much you tell them they are not always right. My personal opinion is that they should issue letters or certificates of opinion instead of COAs. Because they are not always right. and they do not reflect this to the general public or casual buyer...

Case in point I got a autograph in person at the Dallas Mavs game From Mr. Hardly ever signs himself Lebron James. He signed my 8x10 photo. I have seen his autograph from UDA which looks nothing like what he signed for me on my picture. It was a freaking scribble but he did sign it. I saw him. I sent it to JSA and it failed. Even though I saw it. Lol. That did not stop them from taking my money and giving me a fail letter though? No.

So there are many problems with the hobby. Not just forgers. The "professional" authenticators are just as much of a problem. Why does a Michael Jordan COA cost me more than Joe Montana COA? its silly when the same set of eyes are looking at the same two autographs... Anyway I started to see its more of a business now as much as it is a hobby. When maybe it used to be the other way around. But hey thats how it is.. So when you see me laugh or give my opinions, it comes from my experience like that one and some of the others I have shared. We don't know it all. And some of us should just admit to that and stop trying to be know it alls. Not saying you are trying to be one, I am just stating in general. I see people calling autographs that are clearly legit forgeries. But that is sort of the climate we create by yelling fraud all the time when we really dont know. We should just say what we think and leave it at that. Just my opinion though.

So when you heard me say if you like it buy it and dont care what people think I say that because if he is going to buy it and KEEP it (keep it is the key), and HE likes it, buy it then. Who cares what somebody says. Its like somebody telling you not to marry a fat ugly chick. Well maybe he likes fat ugly chicks. It his business. I am not marrying her so I dont care. Why should I?

The other thing I said was:

My main thing about autographs is if I can resell the item. For that I will need it to be authenticated. Well that is going to take a cert from one of our buddies at JSA or PSA get top dollar. So I have to make sure when I buy this item it can pass. How does this make me a seller of forgeries or a crooked ebay seller blah blah blah. This is the main problem we have... we just jump to conclusions and misinform others. The everyone jumps on the bandwagon swearing truth to BS info.

Permalink Reply by Null on May 22, 2014 at 7:48am

This is one of the tough ones where you can lean either way, but when I first saw it I I felt it was authentic. Letter formations are fine, the "gg" is a different than most, but I've seen plenty where the top of the "g" is just a dot basically with no "circle".

Signature speed looks fine. Also Joe D would put a dot below, and above the last "o" in Dimaggio as a "trademark" to protect against forgers. Forgers took note of this, however you can see that this one was signed so quick that the top dot is apart of the "o". A forger would've paused, and THEN placed the dot nicely above it, not sloppily and fast.

90% of Joe D forgeries you can tell almost immediately by looking at the "J" then the "D" and "M". These all look fine on this one IMO.

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Permalink Reply by R T on May 22, 2014 at 8:31am

I saw how fast this was signed and noticed the dots as you mentioned, the J looked good. I was worried about the M though. Most M's in authentic samples I've seen, doesn't have the 1st hump in the M being so much lower but still didn't look (worked). Thanks!