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Permalink Reply by Wendy Christine on November 19, 2012 at 7:25pm

THAT'S THE POINT. While slight style variations occur over a lifetime, the fundamental characteristics such as flow, stroke, slant, overall style, size and shaping of letters - ALL remain unique to each human signature...

Just like all of us, MJ's signature showed variances based on day, month, year, situation, mood, etc.
Everyone's signature shows variations (over time).. YET! There is NO variation to these Julien's-Bush signatures. They were mass produced.

ALL of the J's in Jackson are THE SAME sad uninspired swoop with a flourishless half circle poorly positioned at the top. Additionally, the "signatures" in the Julien's catalog display a wide, awkward loop on the N in Jackson. Multitudes of them. Michael DID NOT make his N's like that.

Are we to believe Michael Jackson signed hundreds of "items" for Mr. Bush all in the same day, or in a very close proximity in time? A mass production of same-shaped letters, styled in a fashion no researched Michael Jackson signature appraiser has ever seen him make?

Finally, NONE of the GENUINE MJ signatures which he produced in 2001 at the Virgin Mega Store signing bare ANY resemblance to ANY of the forgeries in Julien's auction catalog. PERIOD.

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Permalink Reply by Charlotte Stanley on November 21, 2012 at 9:20am

I said this very same thing to friends on facebook. Well said Wendy. They are all the same signature and they look all done at near to the same time. It is definitely the same person who signed them and that person was NOT Michael. I did not want to believe it either because I cant imagine someone ruining prized possessions. They are worth so much not even signed. And yet it seems they blatantly did this. I just dont get it. Trying to wrap my head around it. We have seen unsigned items go for large money on Juliens, but we have also seen the signed ones go for even more. So Greed has to be the motive of course. I think the big money for the Thriller Jacket is why. I think that signature was fake but it is not quite the same as these ones. Still, big question here is if you were going to try and fake signatures, wouldnt you do better than this? Ive seen some fakes that are pretty good. In fact I can fake one better than these. Look at Michael Bush signature- Ive seen some of my friends got him to sign his book. I think his own signature is similar to these fake MJ ones. So is he the actual forger? Im not so sure Juliens is just ignorant and I think they go on faith and also let greed play a role by wanting to sell so many items while the market was hot that they just took anything. I have questioned items in the past many times. The real damage here is the market and value on Mj items is going to crash, as collectors will lose faith in the market and wont be able to trust anything.

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Permalink Reply by Phil Hart on September 23, 2022 at 2:01pm

All the signed items sold by Julien in 2012 were fakes 1000%.

Not all the Michael Jackson fans worldwide know that Michael Bush used to keep making MJ suites with all the stock he has left ,and due to the fact he had love affairs directly with Darren Julien they decided to sell fake items with fake signatures.

Lady Gaga spent millions for rubbish?? Who am I to tell this??

I have bought the "Blood on the dance floor "stage worn jacket from History tour at Julien Auctions:I requested a DNA test on the jacket but result was "NONE".

I spoke then with Michael Bush himself,he replied he sent the jacket to washing machine at the end of the tour..........

They are forgers !!!!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 19, 2012 at 8:55pm

Debbie,

Do you have a link to the video you can post?

Thanks

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Permalink Reply by Michael Frost on November 19, 2012 at 4:14pm

Debbie MichaelJoe Jackson.,
Thank you and yes you have a right to an opinion as far as I see it. Is there anyway you can post or send me a scan of any Michael Jackson autographs you may have that you feel compare to the style of the Michael Jackson signatures in question?

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Permalink Reply by Debbie MichaelJoe Jackson on November 19, 2012 at 4:47pm

Here is one for you, that some others might say is far too "neat and tidy" just the opposite of the scribbled ones for sale now. I purchased this directly from the Michael Jackson World Network in 2002 after he signed it for them, along with many others. It's not congruent with other's I have, but it's his.

 

Attachments: No photo uploads here

• VIBE MAG AUTOGRAPH.JPG, 170 KB

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Permalink Reply by Michael Frost on November 19, 2012 at 4:59pm

Thank you but I would really like to see an autograph if you have one in the style of the ones thar Steve posted on top of this discussion from the The Collection of Tompkins and Bush.

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Permalink Reply by Debbie MichaelJoe Jackson on November 19, 2012 at 5:06pm

Out of my many, no nothing like those, but many all very different.

 

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Permalink Reply by Wendy Christine on November 19, 2012 at 8:00pm

If the signature you attached, shown on the Vibe magazine is not congruent with other's you have, then I am concerned that you may have a number of forgeries in your collection - because this one is a genuine Michael Jackson signature. 

Sadly, you will not find ANY that resemble this genuine signature in the Julien's-Bush auction catalog.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 19, 2012 at 9:01pm

No question on the Vibe mag autograph, Debbie. That's a style we see a lot of. Nice.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 20, 2012 at 9:00am

that one looks nothing like the crap that is the subject of this discussion

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Permalink Reply by Debbie MichaelJoe Jackson on November 19, 2012 at 4:20pm

To Michael Frost, How do I send you a picture?

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