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Michael Jackson Signing Styles in Julien's Tompkins and Bush Sale
On December 2, Julien's Auctions is selling The Collection of Tompkins and Bush. The collection contains 465 lots of Michael Jackson memorabilia, 287 of them autographed.
Michael Bush and the late Dennis Tompkins were Michael Jackson's costume designers for 25 years, during Jackson's most successful period. They were the consignors of the signed Thriller jacket that Julien's sold for $1,800,000 in June 2011.
Almost all of the autographs in the Tompkins and Bush sale are a variation I'm not familiar with. I've only been looking at Jackson's autograph for a few years, though, and we have members here who have collected him for decades, so I'd appreciate your input and exemplars.
If you know Michael Jackson's autograph well, please look at a few images below from the auction and let me know what you think. Even better, browse the auction and upload any similar examples you have: http://www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/77/
Julien's is the world's premier auction house for Michael Jackson memorabilia, so they would know his autograph better than most of us. I'm just surprised I haven't seen this style before.
Thanks for your help.
Tags: 2012, Julien's, auction, michael jackson, tompkins and bush
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Permalink Reply by Michelle on
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OK, so a secretarial is where a secretary or other person authorized to write messages and sign MJ's name on items? So does the person practice writing Michael's name and handwriting to get it as close as possible. I just saw a thread here on AML's and the infamous DB was discussing Michael. Interesting.
http://live.autographmagazine.com/xn/detail/3524372:Comment:232187
Maybe Miko Brando was doing the secretarials as previously discussed and DB was familiar with these so that is why he piped in about this comment way back when?
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Permalink Reply by Wendy Christine on
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The Pros can comment on this, but as far as I know secretaries have been signing fan correspondence, photos and the like for celebrities for many a moon. And for a superstar of Michael Jackson's caliber, with his tremendously busy schedule, for sure it would be a necessity.
Forget the BS about Miko. Miko was NOT employed as a secretary by Michael. He was hired as security, I believe. The Miko excuse is a red herring, period. It's just Deflective smoke Blowing. Miko didn't sign squat. Someone hired to push papers would sign SOME MJ items to fill in the gaps when he could not.
As far as I know, all superstars have this set up - so that all the fans can be happy and get a photo or note from their fav celeb. At least that was the way it used to work in American pop culture. I have NO idea what passes as the normal course of things in the BIZ of today.
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Permalink Reply by Helen on
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This blows Julien's pathetic "The provenance was strong" argument right out of the water!
If there are even "legitimate" fakes around, which by their nature have flawless provenance, it's surely even more important to closely check and question every item, no matter what its story.
I'm surprised how few of these I have seen over the years, even on autographs that were sent in the mail to friends. I can't deny it disturbs me in the case of David Sonnet, but I couldn't help laughing at the fact that one would be sent to the President of the USA!
Thanks very much for showing these, I honestly had no idea. It doesn't surprise me that they exist, but I always thought they'd be virtually indistinguishable from real ones. Maybe there have been different secretarial signers over the years, these being by the "Dangerous era" one?
Could the non-Bush fakes we have seen on some of the iconic clothing be secretarials by a different hand than the above?
This could also explain why the estate appears to be so relaxed about the whole thing. If "authorised" fakes have been sloshing around for years and sold for mega bucks they might not think it a big deal.
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Great to hear from you, Carl..
Merry Christmas!
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In my opinion they will hang on to the money for as long as they can. They may refund but just think of the interest they can accumulate on millions.
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Anyone have a problem with this MJ signature? I do.
Juliens Music Icons auction - November 21, 2009 - Lot 308 - Sold for $324,000.
Worn Bad World Tour jacket
http://www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/67/lot/25205/
I'm also not liking these MJ's:
From same November 2009 Juliens Music and Icons auction -
Lots 335 and 336 - Signed invitations - Sold for $10,937.50 and $7,600.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Wendy,
I've never seen a Michael Jackson autograph like the one on that jacket, but an expert needs to see it. The same with the ticket, but no expert is needed for that.
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Yes expert opinions would be a very welcome thing on these.
On the jacket: Notice the V in Love is completely missing. The L in Michael is clunky yucky. And I have no words for that N in Jackson.
btw, those are actually two tickets, sold as two separate lots. Although they look almost identical (cookie cutter) - but I'm not necessarily seeing Bush characteristics on them.
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Experts always welcome, but the jacket looks just as terrible as the tickets.
Are there other examples of Michael signing the "Jackson" below "Michael" other than maybe as a child? I don't remember ever seeing that. He was very good at fitting his signature into the space available.
And I agree with you Wendy, the "Love" clinches it once more.
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You guys are totally correct. Ive been hating the autographs at Juliens since MJ's death. At the time I didnt know as much and assumed they must be legit because "its Juliens". They just kept getting worse. It seems Juliens just accepted anything MJ because it was a hot commodity and a money maker. Its all about the money. They will flood and ruin the market, which they are doing as we see the decline in MJ prices. The benefit the knowing and educated people get is they kind find a value/bargain on a real autograph.
I say to anyone looking to buy an autograph, do your own research and also get advice from experts before you buy!
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I agree. The work Wendy, Michelle, TM, Sandy, MJ Fan and everyone else involved is doing here will change the autograph field for the better, forever. And it will have an even more profound effect on Michael Jackson collecting.
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Permalink Reply by MJ-fan-1965 on
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MJ-Fan-1965 if you please :))) (there are two of us I believe) :) I've been staring at this crap for several weeks non-stop. The first two nights I never went to bed I was so disgusted.
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