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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 22, 2012 at 1:40am

Darren Julien made no statement to me. We had a conversation and I did not quote him.

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 22, 2012 at 3:13am

I see - so now we are splitting hairs;

what part of the response would not be a statement or position from Juliens?   I took a crack to highlight a few...

When I emailed Darren about my concerns on Friday he said they were unquestionably genuine and from a source, Michael Bush, that didn't need the money, so there would be no reason for him to forge them.

We spoke on Saturday morning and he gave me more reasons why he was sure they were good, including that MJ would sometimes stay at Tompkins' and Bush's house and he signed for them when he was there. He said that many that we consider genuine were actually signed by Miko Brando, so those examples are off. The ones in the auction are the true ones.

When I emailed Darren Sunday and said I was going to post this discussion, he reiterated that I was wrong and was disappointed. He did not try to talk me out of it further, but I had made it clear that I had to do it.

Incidently, in this your 2nd post on the subject you claim that he gave me more reasons.  However in both posts you only list one. Were there more reasons and if so why  haven't they been listed?

Perhaps it would assist the needle in the haystack searchers.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 22, 2012 at 3:44am

I was referring to your reply here, which was also the first mention of Miko Brando in this forum: http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/michael-jackson-sign...

Nothing Darren Julien told me would be considered a statement. A statement is prepared and intended for public release.

Permalink Reply by DB on November 22, 2012 at 4:12am

statement definition;

1. something stated.

2. a communication or declaration in speech or writing, setting forth facts, particulars, etc.

 

& where does it claim spokesman, on behalf of or for that matter a formal prepared announcement?  It is what it implies "a statement" and a "position" taken with regards to the allegations made.  You'll also notice it identified "another" reason (and that has been discussed at times as well).  Since it is not 2nd hand it would stand up as a "statement" in just about every court in the land.

 

So Again, Incidently, in this your 2nd post on the subject you claim that he gave me more reasons.  However in both posts you only list one.  What were his other stated reasons?

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 22, 2012 at 5:13am

DB,

Thank you for the dictionary definition. The context in which you were using "statement" was as a public statement.

Permalink Reply by DB on November 22, 2012 at 7:01am

since I don't think the questions will be answered and we can split hairs all day on this... but I have to head to the airport to pick up inbound family members...

This is the only "public statement" that matters at the moment;  Hopefully, they have done due dilligence and if not the buyers are sure to be harrassed as a result, imo.

Permalink Reply by MICHELLE JAY on November 22, 2012 at 8:14am

I believe that this "DB" IS REALLY DEBBIEJO JACKSON who is a good friend of Darren Julien's, has flown here for Auctions/Exhibitions, and has purchased Michael Jackson belongings for herself from Julien's Auctions several times in the past!!!

If "DB" IS tDEBBIEJO JACKSON, do you think she is non-bias or objective - NOT!!!

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 22, 2012 at 8:18am

Michelle Jay,

DB is a long time member here, who thinks I'm a devious fool.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 24, 2012 at 1:34pm

DB,

I've been rereading this entire discussion for the last couple of hours. Since you mentioned it, and say it is in writing and therefore on the record, please do quote what Darren Julien communicated to you about me. I asked you to do it by email earlier, but you said it was confidential.

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 24, 2012 at 3:02pm

Perhaps since I should also post what you sent confidential or do you not perhaps understand the meaning of confidential?  Manipulate your new pals but don't try it on me, doesn't work.

Although one question that you have yet to answer were all the reasons you were provided by Darren Julien which you claim were confidential.  I also understand you have had conversations with the Jackson estate and supposedly they aren't interested.  Maybe you could post the communication as well.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 24, 2012 at 3:04pm

I never spoke to the Jackson estate. Where did you hear that?

Permalink Reply by DB on November 24, 2012 at 5:44pm

Oh, I forgot to add that if you feel it's confidential and I have no way of knowing if it is or not (unlike a recent matter in a different thread which was far from it as you well know) I tend to understand and while I may not like it as it might help others (+ or -), I typically, drop the inquest!

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