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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on May 29, 2013 at 6:14pm

And just like that Jim Officer lost all respect at this site

Permalink Reply by roger epperson on May 29, 2013 at 12:29pm

I saw this album before and again now and I still believe it is authentic.  First of all please know that it is signed in SILVER not white.  Silver was a very widely used marker in the 90's.  That is when this LP was signed.  To new graphers, paint pens are not a thing that is used anymore but when I was doing it; it was the pen of choice.  Collectors in Cleveland and Pitts only used colored paint pens during that time as they said that they never fade.  Back then there really were collectors and not sellers like there is now.  There was no internet or Ebay to sell on.  People rarely got stacks of items signed and rarely were there crowds to get signatures in many towns.

Now we can have a difference of opinion that's fine but to say this is the worst forgery you have ever seen is just plain ridiculous.  If you don't like it don't bid on it.  I would love to own it.

Here is a DSOTM LP signed in colored paint pens

Here is another in all silver and getting Waters on it in silver (which is the pen he carries with him) would be a piece of cake.

or this guitar

Sure they are uncommon but have been done.

Permalink Reply by Jim Officer on May 29, 2013 at 1:14pm

Roger, of all these which did you get your self?

The Guitar, Real 100% Silver Sharpie, Blue Vis-a-Vis. Nick Likely signed this on his book tour at some point. Roger either on the first wall tour, maybe that recent dark side/hits tour before that. Richard signed it while out with Dave, and Someone either matted up or cut out that Gilmour.

The Album. That looks like an older Roger to me, 90's maybe. A rushed Nick, looks fine though. Likely during the book tour but probably not at the acutal signing cause it is a rushed one. The Richard looks fine. Same sitch, out with Dave. But the Gilmour unless you got it yourself I would say is 100% fake. The "Gil" is way off even on a bad day with the most sloppy Island cd autographs have I even seen one like that. And "D" looks right but how he approached the "a" in David is not accurate to how he signes at all. Dead give away.

The CD has a through the mail thin silver paint pen 90's signature, really nice. The Mason is authentic in a silver sharper and I am on the fence with the Richard Wright. It's probably ok however there was a guy faking a ton of Wrights just like that. I say again, likely authentic but his signature is the easiest to forge and he was the hardest to meet for a long time.

And to prove my point, you have not shown me 1 example in the same pen, let alone a paint pen. Evan the Dark Side is in 4 different colors. And if you say the Meddle is a silver pen, it is a modern sharpie cause a real paint pen would not be milky like that and it's width and streaks are consistent with sharpies. And each signature ink tone, size and streaks are consistent and signed at the same time. That is a fact. So if you say this is old explain how the guy who got it got his hands a delorian and went into the future to get a silver sharpie and some how went back to 1979 when was the last time these 4 men were ever together besides Live 8 and the Syd tribute a few years ago. Please look again at the gilmour on that guys items he posted, the guitar and CD you posted. How can you say the Meddle, the 4 other examples I linked up from the same forger, or the Dark Side are real Roger!!! People can do the "David" but the subtle but obvious caracteristics of the "Gilmour" are almost unforgable.

Roger, please look as these, notice something.....

http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/pink-floyd-group-sig...

Permalink Reply by roger epperson on May 29, 2013 at 1:25pm

I wasn't asking your opinion on these items, I was showing you authentic ones.  BTW Gilmour, Wright and Mason on the DSOTM lp that you say has a fake Gilmour was gotten by Mike Wherman and John Brennen got the Waters on it in Florida.  So I guess you were wrong.

You haven't seen the LP in question in person yet you can tell exactly what brand of pen was used...amazing, simply amazing.

Permalink Reply by roger epperson on May 29, 2013 at 2:32pm

Ok, whatever; now I know your intelligence level.  Time for me to step away and let you dig your own hole.....

Permalink Reply by Jim Officer on May 29, 2013 at 2:34pm

Good leave your mis-authentications are not welcome anyway.

Permalink Reply by wascher on May 29, 2013 at 2:39pm

I'm not sure who you are speaking for Jim, but Roger's authentications are very welcome here.

Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on May 29, 2013 at 3:07pm

Amen

Permalink Reply by Jim Officer on May 29, 2013 at 3:25pm

Carl, if you are blindly submissive to Roger's opinion then you deserve the fakes I am sure you have sprinkled in your collection.

Permalink Reply by Grant Davis on May 29, 2013 at 3:33pm

Jim,

If you have a beef with Roger about an item thats fine but it does not further your cause to attack everyone that wishes to make a comment - should i duck now???

:)   :) 

Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on May 29, 2013 at 3:45pm

No blind submissions here Jim. I simply think the item is authentic, as i explained in the page previously. I also know Rogers level of expertise. And to be honest i dont know yours. All i have heard is that you collect autographs IP. I have seen Rogers authentications and i have also seen his efforts to combat forgeries, and from all that i respect him and believe that he is about the best their is.

Their is a reason why he has the reputation at being the best their is at authenticating certain genres of music. And im sure that took alot of work. It seems you just have a grudge against Roger and maybe you should take that up with him. If this was simply a difference in opinion, you wouldnt have insulted his intelligence or his skill, you would have questioned the piece. But instead you starting throwing insults. That is extremely unprofessional and you really didnt back up anything you were saying about the Floyd signatures.

You said they are the worst you have ever seen Jim. And if thats true then you just dont know Floyd signatures well. Because right now, as in any time you can go on ebay and pull up ghastly forgeries. I can do that if you would like, but its so easy anyone can. The Floyd item you posted looks consistent with known exemplars. Please show how these differ? All i have seen you do is post a few examples from some forger who used a paint pen and claimed they are fake b/c you think they are from the same person. That and of course that they couldnt be signed in one pen. While i agree it would make it harder, it certainly isnt impossible, and gets done all the time, even with Gilmour so reclusive now adays. He still signs everyday for friends and family etc, and the others do too.

It really is more shocking to me that you say these are the worst floyd signatures you have ever seen? That again just makes me question your floyd experience completely. If you ask any member on this site, i can almost guarantee you that while they may not vote authentic, that they would say these are the farthest thing from a horrible set of forgeries.

I think you came to pick a fight with Roger, and i have seen no evidence to the contrary.

Permalink Reply by Monty on May 29, 2013 at 6:35pm

Roger Mike Wherman is ACTUALLY spelled Mike Wehrmann.  I know him and he doesn't use any paint pens or silver markers.  Just ask him.

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