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Permalink Reply by Mike P on August 9, 2012 at 11:40am

I remember asking for Steve's opinions on Michael Jackson autographs months ago.  I brought up two sites; http://www.writestuffautographs.com/ (member of the AFTAL) and http://www.sportsignings.com/ (non-AFTAL).

Here is a link to the dozen or so Michael Jacksons from writestuff; you be the judge.   

http://www.writestuffautographs.com/cgi-bin/trolleyed_public.cgi (if this doesnt work, just search "Michael Jackson" on their search link and it will direct you to their stock of MJs).

Here are sportsignings.com Michael Jacksons that have been sold already.  

http://www.sportsignings.com/images/products/products/film/bad3.jpg

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 9, 2012 at 11:56am

Here's a link to The Write Stuffs' Michael Jackson gallery..20 autographs!

How many likely genuine ones can you find?

http://www.writestuffautographs.com/shop/4/191/index.htm

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on August 9, 2012 at 12:03pm

Exactly, Steve.  The seller has a dozen or so MJs and they all seem very similar to the source of the Mjs previously mentioned early on in this thread.  Some of the AFTAL dealers (even non-AFTAL dealers like sportsignings, maybe) may be buying all of them from one bad link in the chain.  I hope that the culprit is found and is rightfully punished for all of these garbage pieces

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 9, 2012 at 12:00pm

Did Sports Signings have any MJs?

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on August 9, 2012 at 12:08pm

Yes the one picture that I showed above was one of them.  They both sold, here is the pic of the other:

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 9, 2012 at 1:19pm

I don't think this is real, but I don't think it came from AdrianGB.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 9, 2012 at 11:46am

I don't want decent dealers treated like forgers and fraudsters anymore for making mistakes. For their sake and the sake of collectors and the autograph hobby.

It's hard enough to figure out who's good or bad without making dealers who try to do their best look like criminals, too. Everyone makes mistakes, but you can get a good idea from looking at someone's inventory if fakes are the exception or the rule. 

Post and discuss questionable autographs? Absolutely. And use the dealers name if you want, but always kindly invite the dealer to join the discussion, or ask us to do it. But the lynch mob mentality has to go.

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Permalink Reply by Mick Taylor on August 9, 2012 at 12:15pm

Ken Mills at Wrightsuff is another good guy in the UK he would/will be horrified to read this

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on August 9, 2012 at 12:20pm

He has a great-looking football selection when I looked in the past.  No malice to him at all, but it seems the MJs that many dealers have are bought from the same rotten source.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 9, 2012 at 1:17pm

Mike,

I agree. A ton of dealers have bought these MJs. BWilliams...you did a great service pointing the MJs out...thank you!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on August 9, 2012 at 1:20pm

Ken looks like one of the many who bought these...most of whom probably didn't know they were bad.

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Permalink Reply by Mike P on August 9, 2012 at 1:58pm

Agreed, Steve.  If what is being discussed is true, it will be great for the hobby.  Those MJs have been floating around (some sold, some not) for years.  More importantly, justice should be brought to the forger.  It's a real shame that many credible dealers have this slop in their stocks.  Hopefully they get their money back, even if it requires help from the legislation in their respective countries.  

Kudos to BJ Williams, the evaluation of these MJs has been long overdue.  

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