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Redd Foxx Signature Study
This is a thread created to evaluate Redd Foxx's signature.
HOWEVER,
It has come to my attention that Redd Foxx may have authorized his secretaries to sign his checks. If so, this makes even checks (which are usually the safest bet) doubtful.
Here are some checks and other Redd Foxx signatures to judge on.
The checks have a consistent signature, but if they are indeed secretarial that would greatly affect how we view his signature; JSA passed one as mentioned above.
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Permalink Reply by Mike P on
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I am not calling all of his signatures secretarials on every item he has signed..just the possibility that he "may" have authorized his secretaries to sign his checks.
If I have to change the wording not to "mislead" people, so be it, but this thread was started purely to gain more knowledge about Redd Foxx's autograph; nothing else.
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Peter- the objective of this thread was to serve as a signature evaluation and to discuss the "possible" theory that checks were signed by his secretaries under his authority.
this authorization makes it perfectly legal for his secretaries to sign his checks for him in the court of law as well
The proof is here for everyone- notice how these signed checks are all 1985 and later with that "straight line" variation. The 1979 check I have shown is completely different from these 1985 signatures. Just because you have a card signed and authenticated doesn't mean this thread is blasphemous. Bob shinn is an educated collector that warned me about the signed checks. For the good of the community, I decided to post a discussion, which is all that was intended.
This is a discussion Peter, I am not a Supreme Court judge. Please take note of my wording... I said "may." No need for hostility
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Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on
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Ok, I'll ease up. I am just apprehensive about strong statements made about the authenticity of signatures without the appropriate proof.
To get to the subject you intended for discussion, there are many of his signatures (not just on checks), displayed in this thread and for sale on other sites, which show a straight line at the end of his signature. I think Scott's explanation of Redd simplifying his signature as he got older, especially on mundane checks not signed for fans makes sense.
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Permalink Reply by Scott Paul on
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I have noticed something interesting looking at the pre-1980s signatures. If you look at the examples in this study you will notice on the checks a stamp of a "red fox" with "R/F" for eyes just above Redd's signature. Now the example I own is dated in January of 1979 and has what appears to be a hand drawn fox above the signature. What I suspect is going on is that by adding that Mr. Foxx was assuring no one was tampering with his checks. Just when he quit is so far unknown. Now the later checks do not have this, but that could mean he just got tired of the extra work of doing that. It would really be interesting to see other years for checks besides 1979 and 1985.
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CORRECTION TO ABOVE: I checked again the red stamp apparently does not use the "R/F" for eyes that is the printed fox on the check itself.
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'REDD FOXX this does not show up in the thread so am putting it here to make it easier to see without clicking and opening a new page.
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I just found another interesting item concerning Redd Foxx checks. Apparently Foxx allowed his manager Prince C. Spencer (of the Step Brothers tap dancing team) access to his account and authorized some checks to be signed by Spencer. What is interesting the check found is dated 1985 the same as the "straight line" checks. On the one hand this proves Foxx was comfortable with someone else signing checks something I was doubtful of before, but does it mean he allowed his signature to be copied? Spencer signed as "Prince C. Spencer" and I would doubt he learned to sign to sign Redd's name. Is this a smoking gun? No I really do not think so because one can argue both sides of this issue. On the one hand why would Redd have someone copy his signature if Spencer could sign checks as himself? Why not just have a secretary sign for him with her name? This check does prove without doubt that Redd was not the only person to sign on his account. It appears the only checks I have seen so far are from 1979 and I think without doubt they are signed by Redd himself and those in 1985. Two years with two different styles of "Foxx." We really need more examples and different years.
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Every check I have seen was from 1985, and I am pretty sure all penned by someone besides Redd. There was a 1979 check on Ebay,.and looked completely different. In the bank, so long written/verbal permission is given, you can have someone sign the check for you. Maybe the rules back then in their bank didn't allow someone eldest name in the check besides the account name? Not sure. I'll try to look for more.
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Hey Mike the one I have shown in my reply above is the 1979 I bought I made a closeup and you can see the "Fox" symbol above his name. It is I think the one that you saw on Ebay since I got it fairly recent. The "red stamp" is shown on the two 1979 checks earlier in this discussion. The 1979 check I have looks like the 1976 signed contract. If you look on Ebay there are some signed photos all have the "straight line" signature and I think are likely after 1979.
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Normally there would be a signature card at the bank and all authorized signatures on that. So Spencer's would be on that card. I suspect if Redd was allowing someone else to copy his signature the bank did not know otherwise why not just have the secretary on the signature card. I go back and forth in my own mind about the two signatures. What I am fairly certain of is the 1979 checks were signed by Redd himself. The 1985 examples and all of the later photos I have seen are certainly a different style. So maybe Redd just stopped signing anything between 1979-1985. What bothers me is so far I have not seen both examples of the signature in the same time period.
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Hi, Scott. If someone is authorized to sign a check for you, doesn't that mean they can sign their name to the check, not forge your signature?
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Well I am not an expert but since his manager was signing as "Prince C. Spencer" I think it odd that a secretary would, for lack of a better word, "forge" the signature even if authorized. The style is certainly different but then my signature has changed over the years too. I guess I am on the fence on if the "straight line" signatures are by Redd or another hand. I think an argument could be made in both directions. I think what we really need is a 1985 signature that is not a straight line or a pre-1979 that is. If we can find two different styles the same year then we might be looking at two different people. There really does not seem to be a lot of either examples out there.
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