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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on March 7, 2015 at 3:53am

The signatures look good, but the scan is small. The Fisher looks to be a bit smudged. I can't quite make out the hologram sticker at the bottom corner, but if it is a ZOG holo, the piece is from a well respected in-person NYC collector. 

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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on March 7, 2015 at 4:58am

The more I look at that piece , the more it is coming back to me. That was a piece that my friend Mickey was working on. Mickey Zippo....the Zippo being the Z in ZOG (Zippo Original Graphs)

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on March 7, 2015 at 5:14am

The autographs appear to be pretty typical to me.  My only concern is that the placement, quality and size of the signatures are simply too good to be true if any of them were signed on the street.  I suppose that they were mostly signed in a controlled environment.  Pete, you said that you are familiar with the history of this piece.  Do you have any idea how the autographs were achieved?

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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on March 7, 2015 at 5:22am

Mickey is of the rare breed of autograph hounds. He has spent decades getting good graphs by going out in the early morning hours. 6am or earlier for the network's morning shows etc. 20 years ago that meant pretty much one on one with celebs for him as they got out of the car to go into a taping. Things have changed now with all the morning shows featuring Joe Blow from Asshat, KY in the windows watching the show be shot.   

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on March 7, 2015 at 7:41am

Thanks for the explanation Pete.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on March 7, 2015 at 8:06am

Let me ask a serious question here. that holo appears to be one I can buy on ANY hologram making website. Not saying this is the case here at all but whats stopping me from ordering 1,000 of these very generic holograms, have the company print ZOG and be on my way? 

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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on March 7, 2015 at 1:19pm

There is nothing stopping you from doing just that.

Upperdeck, Steiner, PSA , JSA .....nothing stopping you from doing those stickers or holograms either. I would think that anyone willing to go there, likely wouldn't bother with fake ZOG stickers.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaminski on March 7, 2015 at 2:01pm

I would assume all of those companies have trademarks on their logos/images which appear on the holograms haha. Three of them also have databases where you can actually look up most items.

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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on March 7, 2015 at 2:41pm

I agree that all of them do likely have trademarks on the logos......but do you think the hologram producers of the world care?

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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaminski on March 8, 2015 at 11:06am

Yes, definitely. I'm assuming that these aren't the shady companies that you can buy those "AUTHENTIC AUTOGRAPH" holograms from. However, even if they were, I doubt they risk losing business and possibly being sued for violating trademarks and any agreements they likely have from companies that go through thousands of holograms a year.

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on March 10, 2015 at 8:19am

yep. And a hologram maker wouldn't know this guys sticker nor care and can make 1000 and no one would even notice. These use zero trademarks and are readily available to anyone with google. 

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Permalink Reply by Rock G III on March 7, 2015 at 6:05pm

All the big boys you mentioned would be harder to do but can be done. This one literally I can do in 2 seconds and no one would know the better. Just always wondered this as these holograms are EVERYWHERE and makes me cringe when I see people use them. Even more so when people use it as a reason to say its legit. There is literally no security in these. Google tamper proof holograms and these are on page one of most websites. 

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