Replies to This Discussion

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 22, 2011 at 10:32am

Good luck, Peter. After seeing the copies Cee Gee found, and taking another look at the image you posted, I'm concerned that the photo is printed in the magazine. If you could scan the autograph on the page at 600 DPI and upload it here, we'll be able to tell if the autograph has printing patters. That would mean it definitely was printed with the magazine.

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on September 22, 2011 at 10:58am

Hi, Steve. This was puzzling me so much that I drove home to look at the item. It is definitely a cut magazine page and it is definitely hand-signed (or auto-penned). I have enough experience to tell when a pen has laid ink on an object (i.e., the item is not a pre-print, that much I know for sure). I rescanned the photo (to the best quality I can with our home scanner), and I have also scanned the article section on the back of the magazine page. Let's be clear, this is not a pre-print...I know the difference.

 

 

Attachments: No photo uploads here

• Tiger Mag Photo 2.jpg, 2.7 MB
• Tiger Mag Page Back.jpg, 2.2 MB

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 22, 2011 at 11:16am

Hi Peter,

I agree, it's not printed in the magazine. And I googled some text from the article and didn't get a match, so no help there. Maybe the guy selling copies of it can help you with a source.

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on September 22, 2011 at 11:22am

Hi again, Steve,

I was just Googling the magazine text, myself (great minds think alike!), but I couldn't find anything, either. I'll ask the auction seller where the image they have came from.

 

Thanks for the help, everyone!!! A bit of a mystery here!!!

 

Pete

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on September 22, 2011 at 3:14pm

Hi, Steve, 

I contacted the seller and he acknowledges that he has a database of signed photo images from eBay and other websites that he keeps on file and then makes copies of to sell. He said that he is not breaching eBay policies, even if I have the original photo. He stated that as long as they are listed as “copies” he can do what he likes. Is he correct? I have contacted eBay to get their opinion.

 

Thanks again,

 

Pete

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on September 23, 2011 at 7:28am

Hi Peter,

He is wrong. The original image itself, before it was signed, is protected by copyright and sometimes trademark law (if it is an image used for branding purposes). Adding an autograph usually doesn't end that protection, but you generally can use the signed image to sell the original signed photo, or for some editorial purposes.

The scan or photo of anything uploaded to this site or our editorial site is also subject to our copyright.

But do you have rights? Only to the image created when you scanned it, not earlier images.

EBay provides protection to copyright and trademark holders under VeRO, but the rights holders have to file a report with eBay. 

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on September 23, 2011 at 7:47am

Thanks, Steve. In other words, the magazine (publisher, photographer, etc.) would have to file the report. That makes sense; I didn't take or publish the original photo. I'm sure eBay will do nothing in this case. The seller expressed that he really couldn't care less if I have the original; he will keep selling the copies until eBay stops him from doing so. What a wonderful world!

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on September 22, 2011 at 12:04pm

Hey Pete...I cant believe how much attention this subject just received after the link I have posted...It is extremely rare to own something original that gets mass produced...hats off to you if you actually have the original...another good indicator is if the page is actually signed is if for example the entire page has a glazed or glossy look....the autograph SHOULD NOT...that would eliminate auto pen and or a signature printed on the page itself...next thing to look for if there is some sort of ink running through the other side...Magazine paper is somewhat thin and that may possibly cause some bleeding to occur on the reverse side...another thing to look for is if the autograph actually has pressure behind it where on the page it self or on the reverse side the auto is actually slightly indented from the signature pressure....another good way to indicate if the signature is on top of the page and not PART of the page...If you know exactly which magazine its from I am sure someone can locate it to see if that actual page was pre-signed in the mag OR if it was signed after the fact....

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Peter Lougheed on September 22, 2011 at 12:33pm

 

 

Hi, Cee Gee,

All of the indicators of a hand-signed signature (including those that you mentioned) are on this item. The ink is ON the paper - not IN the paper. You can see the shadow of the ink from the other side. The page is glossy but the signature’s ink is streaked and the surface is obviously interrupted by the ink. You can see the slight indentations in the paper as the signer pressed to make the signature. I have many autographs and have seen many pre-prints in person. This is 100% hand-signed. I have contacted the eBay pre-print seller to find out how they got a copy of my originally signed item. I will post their reply on this discussion thread.

 

Unfortunately, there is nothing on either side of the page indicating what magazine or what issue it came from. Googling the text hasn’t worked, either.

 

Thanks again.

 

Pete

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Barry S on September 22, 2011 at 10:37am

Nice work Cee Gee!

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by Barry S on September 22, 2011 at 10:15am

If you look at Upper Deck there is the best examples in my opinion. I have a couple of pieces from there and all are very consistent. There is also a nice video that pulls up when you go to golf. It shows Tiger writing his sig at the end.

• ▶ Reply

Permalink Reply by CEE GEE on September 23, 2011 at 4:30am

Hey Pete.....I came across this great tool about Tiger Woods hand writing and his characteristics....I hope this may help...Iam also going to post a great video I found of Tiger signing photos from his career...

 

The striking qualities of this signature are the lower zone loop on the “g”, the huge capitals, the small middle zone part of the letters, the ascending quality to the capitals, and the long horizontal stroke at the end.

These patterns tell us that he was extremely ambitious as seen in the size of the capitals and the fact that they are ascending – heading up to the stars, one might say. Present too is, one might say, a superiority complex covering up an inferiority complex. I wonder if part of Tiger’s immense drive has some roots in trying to prove himself to his father. Though an only child of his parents, his father had three children from his first marriage.

His great physical mindedness is depicted in his letter “g”. We often see this in great athletes as this is the area of our physicality. There is a great rhythm and swing to this stroke. The imagery can be seen of a full golf stroke when this is coupled with how he forms his “T”.

With so much of his psyche being devoted to ambition and athletics, there isn’t much left for the emotional realm as is seen in the middle zone letters. He is not one that “does emotions”. The horizontal stroke is sometimes referred to as an “accountant’s stroke” as this is a very cautious ending; putting the brakes on, you might say.

• ▶ Reply

• ‹ Previous
• 1
• 2
• 3
• Next ›
• Page