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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on October 17, 2015 at 12:08pm

That's the third hump of the "M", IMO.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on October 17, 2015 at 12:16pm

disagree.  when have you ever seen a Macca signature without a fully formed M?  that is the third hump of the M.

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Permalink Reply by Ricardo on October 17, 2015 at 12:28pm

Is this one not an example of an M not fully formed?

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Alayof on October 17, 2015 at 12:44pm

It's a connected English writing! The first line of the letter M is the same line of the end of the letter L! You can't say I'm wrong

Permalink Reply by Daniel Alayof on October 17, 2015 at 1:21pm

I agree that in most autographs of Paul the letter M has a tail - an extra first line that doesn't belong to the M or to the L - it only connects the L with the M. It's not the case in my autograph. In my autograph the M doesn't have a tail and that's why it has two humps and not three! In my autograph the L and the M are sharing the same line! The end of the L is the beginning of the M - exactly like I showed in my sketching

Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on October 17, 2015 at 12:34pm

Here's one for you to consider, Daniel:

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Permalink Reply by Daniel Alayof on October 18, 2015 at 8:41am

The letter M begins where the the letter L ends. The letter M is in the red circle and it has only two humps. The first C is in the blue circle and the second C is in the brown circle. In rushed autographs of Paul the beginning of the M is sharing the same line with the end of the L. The M doesn't have a tail here and this is why it has only two humps in this autograph and not three. In rushed autographs Paul signs "Paul McC" (M has two humps) and not "Paul Mc" (M has three humps). You can always say that the M has three humps and by doing so cancel the second C and make it the first and the only C in the autograph. Both versions are right because this is connected English writing. It all depends if in your opinion the M has a tail in the beginning or not.  

Permalink Reply by Daniel Alayof on October 18, 2015 at 9:05am

Here the M has three humps in the red circle. The M has three humps because it has a tail in the beginning. There is only one C in the green circle.

Permalink Reply by Ricardo on October 17, 2015 at 12:32pm

Roger, here is an in person where the 3rd hump is highest.- although I agree that with all my other macca signatures, the first hump of the M is highest

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on October 17, 2015 at 11:09am

I would rather have an authenticator err on the side of caution, than pass something that is fake.  There are a lot of Macca forgeries out there and if something looks atypical, it should be questioned.

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on October 17, 2015 at 11:15am

the point is that the third hump is atyically higher than the second one, and that is why it was questioned.  While there may be others like this, the vast majority of authentic Macca signatures, if you check them out, do not exhibit this characterisitic, in fact, in many cases the humps are equal.  

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Permalink Reply by Robin Banks on October 17, 2015 at 11:26am

Here is an example of an equal hump. JSA cert.

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