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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 3, 2012 at 12:28am

DB, I've only looked at a page or two of that seller's inventory, but I doubt anyone would hire PSA to cover them at an event just to get one celebrity. The collector would have photos for most of the valuable names likely to attend. But I didn't ask Orlando about a particular seller...he couldn't tell me, that's private. I asked about the policies and procedures for signings and asked about what Richard alleged in this discussion.

Permalink Reply by DB on May 3, 2012 at 12:44am

I suspected that but at this point I think it's more than Richard alledging. 

We cannot prove that anyone is simply handing out ITP certs without concrete evidence and the EBAY Seller "ain't talking".  So long as the Items are Authentic is one thing but the suspicion surrounding the exact detail of how these ITPs were obtained casts considerable doubt on not only the practice but the business relationship and ultimately the item being sold.

Orlando could clearly devulge all the details surrounding the Harrison Ford or Al Pacino (previously referred to in one of the threads on this) without devulging the whoms.  Simply citing Policies & Procedures is typically a ruse and there is one rule'  Policies & Procedures are made to be broken.

Permalink Reply by DB on May 2, 2012 at 11:43pm

Steve - do you realize how stupid that sounds?   What Orlando told you was the party line and how it is "suppose" to work.

I find it troubling to say the least that you might actually believe what you wrote.  They arranged for Harrison Ford to do a "prrvate" signing!  We all know better and so doesn't coolwater & so on as I previously posted.  

I also don't think Simon has accused them of having them in the field.   That would be Mike Aring's suggestion based on his observations and interaction with them.  Do you also call him a liar?   I would hope not as he seems to be factual in what he states.

So PSA ordered several "private" signings from Harrison Ford (who we know via coolwater what is exactly in play) who has a date stamp on them from a public appearance in San Diego at a premiere moving showing and that signing arrangement was done in advance?     Then these "private signings" that were ordered and arranged in advance by PSA are witneessed in person by a PSA rep and just so happen to end up on Sobrero's friends EBAY Account. 

Do you realize how rediculous that sounds?   And that's only one celebrity.  You reported back what Orlando told you.  However, I would have trouble that based on what's going on you would be that naive to buy into it in this circumstance.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 2, 2012 at 11:58pm

DB, please read my latest reply. Obviously I didn't explain it well enough.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 3, 2012 at 12:02am

DB, PSA doesn't arrange for anyone to do private signings. They are sometimes hired to witness them, and the witnessing is what's arranged in advance.

Permalink Reply by DB on May 3, 2012 at 12:16am

I got that part based on your expanded explanation above and you can see how the "greater" majority of us on this thread have significant doubts that it worked this way with this EBay Seller's offerings.   Just the ones listed that came from San Diego Comic-Cons - Fords, Munns and any others on that date - that were spread over various public venues and signings and there was a PSA rep tailing the "arranger".  I know I'm stupid but just not that stupid.

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on May 3, 2012 at 12:45am

DB, I haven't been reading this thread that carefully recently so I don't know everything that's been discussed. But if the seller is claiming that some of the Fords, etc., were from Comic-Con, I agree that it's more likely that the person witnessing the signings would also be collecting there.

Permalink Reply by DB on May 3, 2012 at 12:57am

The seller ain't talking no matter what the question is  but the information unconvered on the ITPs link the signing to san diego (CA) in July during the Comic-Con and from what I have been able to find Ford was there only for a movie premier.  In the same date/cert number range so wasn't Oliva Munn who also has an ITP Cert that was issued for someone.   On top of it - someone scores 5 or was it more Harrison Fords witnessed signings.

Thus, I like you come to a completely different opinion as for me this doesn't pass tha naive rookie collector sniff test.

Permalink Reply by Richard S. Simon on May 3, 2012 at 8:16am

How much does PSA charge to have a rep go into the field for those hours and cert the in person autographs? Usually when PSA issues an ITP cert they do a pvt signing with hundreds of pieces signed. How many pieces does an in person guy get at a movie premiere situation? Is it really enough to pay a PSA rep to stand there for hours and cert what is signed?

Permalink Reply by E.B.G. on May 3, 2012 at 8:34am

Good point Richard.  Why hire someone to go into the field in hopes of getting multiple items signed?  If its authentic it would hopefully pass PSA anyway.  Why have the added expense?

Permalink Reply by E.B.G. on May 3, 2012 at 8:34am

It sounds wacky to me too DB.

Permalink Reply by DB on May 3, 2012 at 9:03am

anything is plausible as wacky as it might appear.

One would think that PSA/DNA would be "promoting" such involvement in order to generate more of these types of events.  Not using the "private nonsense" as a reason or simply restating the obvious of the "policy" and the "procedeure"

an ITP obviously conjures up more "worth" to the item by it's very nature to the buyer.  If it doesn't happen as the "policy" and "procedure" dictates then it is "fraud" regardless of the authenticity from my perspective as the "net worth" of the item is inflated due to the ITP.

And Collector's Universe failing to market such events in my mind is what makes it even whackier.

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