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Permalink Reply by Joel S on May 25, 2023 at 8:26am

why in the world would they go through the trouble of setting up an autopen machine if it was going to be also hand signed? it might make sense if they said part of the artwork contained printed signatures but not autopen

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Permalink Reply by Jason H on May 25, 2023 at 8:44am

I'm just glad they are admitting it. This makes our job easier instead of having to gather evidence to call them out and force them. I agree with you though, very strange. 

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Permalink Reply by Tom B on May 25, 2023 at 8:54am

They have just offered a “full refund” and return label, which I will accept, provided it includes the 24 pounds I paid for shipping.

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Permalink Reply by Joel S on May 25, 2023 at 10:07am

It's cool that they are offering the full refund but the sad truth is that only a small fraction of those they sold to will ever realize they aren't real. Meaning probably not too many refunds so they still win and which is I'm sure why it keeps happening 

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Permalink Reply by Tom B on May 26, 2023 at 3:45am

Well, they called my bluff…

I guess I was secretly hoping they’d refund my order and say “don’t bother returning it” a la Amazon. I’m leaning towards just keeping it. I suppose even a “P” and a squiggle is worth something, and I do like the print. And Galen’s sig is real, for what that’s worth. Maybe the record will grow on me. 

Thoughts?

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Permalink Reply by Kevin Knight on May 26, 2023 at 3:54am

So, are they saying the surname was autopen and he added the "Paul"? which looks to be the case from the examples we have seen. 

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Permalink Reply by Tom B on May 26, 2023 at 4:14am

Not explicitly. They’ve admitted that the prints contain an autopen signature of Paul’s, but are also handsigned by both, which makes no sense to me. To me, it appears that the surname is part of the print and they’ve used an autopen to create a few versions of the P and squiggle. All the examples I’ve seen (eBay and here) have very distinct telltale dots at the beginnings of the line segments. Very odd.

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Permalink Reply by Bjorkwind on May 26, 2023 at 6:37am

Ceremony of roses have just sent me a picture of the LP print signing session for what it's worth

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Permalink Reply by Bjorkwind on May 26, 2023 at 7:01am

I think the artwork was drawn by Paul and hence they embedded the 'Simonon' part of his autograph at the bottom when it was manufactured.

Maybe 'Simonon' is how he signs all his pieces.

To be fair if he did sign 'Paul' on every one that should 'be okay' especially if you frame the artcard with a copy of the signing session photo attached to the back of the frame for some kind of proof or explanation what went on...

We have seen a lot more lazy signatures over the last couple of years than Paul's one here, let's hope Gary Barlow, Corey Taylor and Lady Gaga never form a band.....

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Permalink Reply by Tom B on May 26, 2023 at 7:56am

Thanks for sharing this. I wonder why they didn’t send it to me, as well?

Agreed, we’ve seen worse. I’ll be keeping the print.

Another exciting day in collecting…

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Permalink Reply by Tom B on May 27, 2023 at 8:54am

And here’s the CD that just arrived…. Too good to be real?

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Permalink Reply by Bjorkwind on May 27, 2023 at 11:22am

That looks like a really decent Paul Simonon autograph on the CD - all the other CD booklet graphs posted including mine look really odd when compared to his usual style...

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