Can you help me identifying if these Miles Davis and John Coltrane autographs are legit?

Hi gang! Can you please help me identifying these autographs (John Coltrane and Miles Davis)? I bought a box of jazz records and found these one in the stack. IMHO, having both signing is pretty uncommon so I assume these are fake but happy to have your view. Thank you ! Happy Holidays !

Tags: Coltrane, Davis, Jazz, John, Miles

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 2, 2024 at 7:35pm

Definitely not real IMO.

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Permalink Reply by Mindfreek on December 3, 2024 at 7:45pm

Not sure if it's real or not, but I found this which is a repro of that same autograph....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Miles-Davis-1-A4-signed-photograph-picture...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 3, 2024 at 8:57pm

The ones you posted are crudely traced by hand.

Clarification: Mindfreek, I didn't realize you weren't the original poster. The autographs on the album in the original post are the ones I called crudely traced forgeries.

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Permalink Reply by Mindfreek on December 3, 2024 at 9:29pm

I totally agree. What I was saying is, I’m not sure if the original post is real or not, but someone obviously took a copy of it and created this fake one on eBay. The eBay item could be a case of a fake of a fake.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 3, 2024 at 10:37pm

I thought you were the original poster. The autographs on the album in the original post are crudely traced forgeries. The photo reproduction on eBay you linked to shows the autograph the forgery in the OP was traced from. I don't know whether the repro on eBay is of a genuine Miles Davis or not.