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What is exact proof and is it always 100% Genuine ?

So guys there seems to be a slight problem on what exact proof means.

Also people are selling 1000 autographs witn 1 single proof photo because they could only snap one photo from the talent when they paid him a small fortune so is this wrong can you trust them or not ?

I hope I can try and explain every question but they will all end towards the same answer, above all the only way you can guarantee yourselfs a happy merry ending is by buying from some one you completely trust.

THE DEALER is the person you need to trust , What I mean is every dealer in the world including myself can be screwed over at any point , I have been screwed by Stevie Wonder for example I went to get his autograph they said to me wait a minute let him get on the coach and then we will come and take your vinyl, I waited outside the Lowry Hotel in manchester he got on his coach then his brother came took the vinyl got on the coach so I went to the side of the coach and saw him sign the albums for stevie wonder and Thats a Fact , Stevie was seating at the far back of the coach past the middle section were the bar and the tables were, His bro only went behind the driver at a table and done the signing.

Now the question here is what did I do with them ?

Well I took spray out rubbed the graffs and gave the vinyls to the charity shop and that is the last time I went for stevie wonder, Now I remember10 years ago at the Savoy hotel we used to be able to walk up to him and with the help of his brother who would help and direct his hand you would get a stevie wonder autographs even though it was a 50% him 50% his bro it was the closest you could get to an autograph by him.

So what am trying to say is many people left that day from that bus experience with autographs, Knowing they were not stevie wonders but choose to play the game different, I know some that sold the vinyls on ebay they took a picture of Stevie walking towards them and used it as proof , and you know what they got 200 bucks for it too.

So now an IN PERSON will tell you it is not always possible to have exact proof it can be over in 3 seconds by then you dont have time to even blink never mind take a photo, Sometimes you are in a place were the guards are waiting for you to make that mistake so they can throw u out etc , 

Now the same thing will be said for the Big Time dealers that do the private signings, If they pay for lets say HULK HOGAN to seat down and sign 1.000 items they cant snap at every item they will take 2 or 3 photos and they will use those to sell the 1.000 items.

So what is the difference here ?

The dealer is the difference , The one person you trust and the other you do not , You trust the dealer that has paid and he feels he is providing a service and he has a long job that he dont want to destroy by just selling 1000 autographs he wants to sell 1.000.000 !!

Now once again it don't mean that the guy that is a big time dealer can't be tricked ? he can too , By an agent of a star or a manager , I have experienced this too I know of a famous story of some one who brings boxers to signings that after its all done and dusted a few months later when he was asked for new stock he actually the manager signed some and send them out to dealers , Now who is the bad guy here ?

Well its not the dealer that bought the items how can he be ? All he did is called the agent paid for items that he felt were real and got screwed for it , You cant blame him can you he TRUSTED some one who should have been HONEST but wanted to pocket the whole sum of cash and not the smaller cut.

So what am trying to say here guys is Any person at any time can get screwed because we always need to TRUST someone , so when you decide to buy from some one you make sure that the person you are buying from is a genuine nice guy that also believes in the code and if he ever got screwed he would put his hands up and say you know what , Am sorry I never knew all I did is what I do every day I bought an item that was suppose to be genuine , I apologise and here is your money sir or madam.

For me this is how I choose the peolple I trust and I would back up the person that I know deep down is a good honest person and not some one who is gonna say or make a problem when asked or been told that there is a chance the item is fake.

Now also there are 100s of times that people do get it wrong there are too many people that they think they know it all and sometimes they F%$K Up and could cause s*** for no reason , But this is the nature of the game if the reputation of the person is gold and the person who sold the item knows the other person is wrong am sure he will deal with it a nice manner and prove that maybe who ever suggested the item is fake is actually wrong.

There is a dealer In New York who has sold 100s of thousands of us dollars he sells more fakes than anyone in the world Stallone, Ali , and many other High end people never ever seen anything like it , its crazy the guy takes photos of other people with stars and photoshops his head in the photos he puts product in their hands this is F%$£D UP.

Believe it or not its there the guy has become a millionare from selling fakes and where is he ? he is still there doing better than honest people because ebay and the world web gives him the millions of clients that dont have a clue about autographs.

I was a rock singer in the 90s had albums out and when it all ended, I wanted to start a bar like hard rock or planet hollywood so  I went and bought 1000 bucks worth of autographs only to find out they were all fakes , This did 2 things to me it made me hate Fakers to a point of extreme views towards them  and also made me go out there and try and obtain every single item myself. It kinda made me to what I am.

I know why we all hate those scumbags because at some point in our lives we all got screwed over some how , Am lucky this was 15 years or so ago in my life but it is happening to some one else right now as am writing this message.

Unfortunetlly autographs are never ending problem and it will never go away but its the same with any bussiness that generates money.

THE DEALER is the most important person in the puzzle as importand as the autographs.

Jason Thanos 

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Permalink Reply by Gary Harvey on November 2, 2012 at 3:40pm

Steve

do u have a photo or ebay id on him ?

i bet it is

he prob met him once and then its replicated

Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 2, 2012 at 1:05pm

Found the guys website google his name you will find some crazy things about him.

But here is the website http://www.substancecollectables.com/boxing_hall_of_fame___1

Some of his suspended ebay ids include

sportmemories2005

boxingheroes

greatmemorabilia1997

sportsnstuff2000

boxingchamp2000

betterprices-2007

ringsidegold

wholesaleparts2000

boxingforums

boxing2004
 

News article on the web :

Mr. Aaron said late last week that Tiffany was preparing to file suit against Overstock over
the matter. Mr. Aaron would not specify the nature of the complaint, but it could be similar
to the trademark infringement suit it recently won against Finest4Less.com, a seller of
luxury goods. Tiffany sued Finest4Less in June after determining its Web site was selling
counterfeit silver jewelry marked ''Tiffany & Co.'' Earlier this month
the United States District Court in Manhattan awarded Tiffany $574,000 in damages from
Finest4Less, which no longer displays items on its Web site.

The owner of Finest4Less, Milton Luban, said in a telephone interview that he would very
likely begin selling branded clothing on the site next month, but would no longer sell
gray-market goods.
 

Permalink Reply by Paul Fox on November 2, 2012 at 1:07pm

you mean Milton Luban, hes a member on here and always comments on boxing graffs especially muhammad ali.

Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 2, 2012 at 1:18pm
Well the guy am talking about has taken photos of Stallone with a guy who was on the Expandables set with boxing gloves and put his head on the other guys body .

Now some of you don't know this but am a partner in online Authentics the owner has looked after ali for 35 years he was his agent .
So they know every event that ali done and there some photos with this guy and ali that are not real because his agent was next to him .

Now yes the website has loads of genuine stock but also has fake stuff I remember a year ago Adrian a ali specialist pointed out 4 trunks 2 were OA 2 were not .

This is a major problem i don't understand why people need to mix good with bad or doctor photos to sell their items .
Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 2, 2012 at 1:20pm
If anyone doubts I can ask for the photos to be put on here by the people
Who build the case in UK with help from Australia and NY it's on Acaf
Permalink Reply by Paul Fox on November 2, 2012 at 1:35pm
Permalink Reply by DB on November 2, 2012 at 1:54pm

here is the courts decision and order.  Although the Lubans were properly served they failed to answer the complaint.

DECISION AND ORDER
MARRERO, District Judge.
By order dated July 22, 2003, the Court authorized entry of a default judgment in favor of plaintiffs Tiffany (NJ) Inc. and Tiffany and Company (collectively, "Tiffany") and against defendants Milton and Connie Luban and their company Luban Incorp. (collectively, the "Lubans"), the proprietors of an internet site selling counterfeit Tiffany merchandise in violation of the Lanham Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1114(1), 1116(d). Upon consideration of Tiffany's written and oral evidence as to its damages, the Court awards Tiffany a judgment in the amount of $573,818.64.
Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 2, 2012 at 2:00pm
Does anyone know who Daniel Bertorelli is ? Google him and also put Stallone in same search you will see a photo of them on last day of shoot sly has blood over his head etc .
This guy took out Daniel put himself in the photo next to sly and took out some of the blood etc

Same with ali !!

Why would you do that ?

Give me a logic explanation
Permalink Reply by DB on November 2, 2012 at 2:05pm

To gain "trust" which is the 1st rule of scam and con men.  Isn't that the subject of the thread?

Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 2, 2012 at 2:24pm

This link is the link with the guy and the actual photo we have on files one doctored that has the guy mentioned above.

http://bertorelli.wordpress.com/2010/09/19/rocky%c2%b4s-boxing-glov...

On 17 May 2012 the guys who were building a file heard the following news : He received a letter from the lawyers of Prince Marketing and Super Star Greetings today. Telling him to remove all items and images of Joe Frazier, Micky Ward, Roy Jones Jr, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Zito, Vinnie Paz and the Super Star Greetings logo. This guy is total scum and is getting what he deserves.

The most famous website in the world for tackling fakes did a special on him here you can read it for your selfs. click the link.

I wont pu the photos yet I will leave them as aces in our hands till we have too but I believe there is enough here to make your minds up if this is true or not.

http://www.isitreal.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=7...

 

Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 2, 2012 at 3:49pm
Seems 2 different stories on here and both are getting mixed up .
Anyway the guy that's selling them in Australia is Lawson Slater we had to kind off bully him out of grafting up here in Manchester . A lad who is not a push over told he to stay out of Manchester .
Then because loads of us Inc Gary king who has a huge file on this guy we together with Acaf were educating the planet he moved out of the UK he leaves in the USA now and he trades there but he makes his fortunes in
Australia selling signed music sheet s which are fake and am talking about crazy amounts .
Permalink Reply by DB on November 2, 2012 at 4:07pm

Jason - an australian thread on AML with http://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/your-help-needed-ple...

with Lawson Slater noted amongst others.

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