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Permalink Reply by DB on November 4, 2012 at 3:43am

so when someone apparently stoops to such level to create IMO what appears to be fraudulent images what does that say about the items being offered?

here is another shot - see any similarities to the fake Ali photo?   This one however is tied directly to his website. 

and here is but one communication excerpt from Prince Marketing Group (long time affiliate of Smokin Joe) to Milton  that also had no response from what I have read;

Would you call super imposing pictures of yourself with celebs professional? I would call it scum and misleading. explain these please.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 4, 2012 at 4:46am

Here is the direct link to the website and were the photo has been originaly taken from.

http://www.substancecollectables.com/boxing_hall_of_fame___1

I was part of a massive team in Europe together with the help from Australia  and New york on this case and I believe this year there was some results as many stars decided to take part. ACAF & ISITREAL in europe have many info on this.

Now I will say this the guy does a good job he gets a lot of genuine stock but why do you do this photo shop jobs, Also when other top people in the industry asked some question about some items they got weird reply. For the record no one is p****** in the wind many people have emails and photo evidence and various other thinks on this matter .

 

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 4, 2012 at 5:45am

but why do you do this photo shop jobs,  Rope-A-Dope comes to mind Jason.

AliAuto on the isItReal blog indicated they would not buy anything is very telling.  It is however over 5 years back and it would be nice if we had some boxing specialists chime in on current Ali and other offerings they see.

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Permalink Reply by Jason Thanos on November 4, 2012 at 6:10am

In  May 2012
Milton received a letter from the lawyers of Prince Marketing and Super Star Greetings. Telling him to remove all items and images of Joe Frazier, Micky Ward, Roy Jones Jr, Hulk Hogan, Chuck Zito, Vinnie Paz and the Super Star Greetings logo.

So we knew about this 5 years ago in europe and actions still were taken not even half a year ago , does this tell you anything else ?

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 4, 2012 at 6:52am

news travels slowly!

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on November 4, 2012 at 4:33pm

Thats a great catch Jason, thanks for posting these. I always find it interesting to see photo shop jobs, its always pretty shocking.

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Permalink Reply by J. Patel on August 13, 2013 at 12:16pm

The photo switch is bad enough without even looking at the autographs.

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Permalink Reply by Sam Haber on November 26, 2023 at 9:31am

Milton k Luban should be in   Prison for Fraud

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Permalink Reply by Carl Ryan on November 4, 2012 at 4:31pm

OMG, that Will Smith photoshop deal is almost funny if it werent for the fact that it most likely has cost customers money.

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Permalink Reply by AC on November 5, 2012 at 2:08am

Milton is a very well know around the world when it comes to the fake Ali items he used to sell and the way he uses other peoples text and images to make his site look better. He is banned on eBay for life never to hold an account ever again. Please see the below list of the accounts that he has used and eBay has suspended. Only a few months ago his company coa's have been added tom the banned list on eBay. If his items are ever listed they get removed within a few hours. He even taped Joe Fraziers funeral and put it up on youtube.

Suspended ebay ids

sportmemories2005
boxingheroes
greatmemorabilia1997
sportsnstuff2000
boxingchamp2000
betterprices-2007
ringsidegold
wholesaleparts2000
boxingforums 
boxing2004
ssa222252012
ssauthenticators

One of his newest  ebay ids ssauthenticators was suspended on September 17, 2012.

Here is a few things about Substance Collectables

His authentication site, www.ssauthenticators.com was shut down July 5, 2012. Here is
a link connecting it to Substance Collectables

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?id=297543590265154&story_...


Look at the feedback of his suspended his first suspended id , sportmemories2005


http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller&useri
d=sportmemories2005&iid=-1&de=off&interval=0&items=50


He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to
signatureproduction for $ 455,23,  that's $ 113.81 per glove.

He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to
squareringmemorabilia for $ 457.00, that's $ 114.25 per glove.

  He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to
squareringmemorabilia for  $ 657.00, that's $ 164.25 per glove.


He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to tyty7777
for $ 420.00, that's $ 105.00 per glove.


He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to
lonestarcota for $ 857.99 . that's  $ 214.50 per glove.

He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to
buckman_2525 for $ 487.77, that's $ 121.94 per glove.

He sold one of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to tranzam24
for only $ 224.72.


He sold four of his Muhammad Ali signed boxing gloves coa Substance Collectables to f1mikol
for $ 771.01, that's only $ 192.75 per glove.


This is a link that shows one of Substance's early auctions from 2007 that shows his
coa in it

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/muhammad-ali-autographed-ever...



This is another of the early auctions that even mentions Substance Collectables in the text.


http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/muhammad-ali-signed-everlast-...

This is link to one of his 2007 Ali trunks auctions- has the Substance coa on scan

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/muhammad-ali-signed-everlast-...

Link to another 2007 auction of Ali trunk mentions he is member of Ring 8 in the text

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/muhammad-ali-white-boxing-tru...
 

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Permalink Reply by AC on November 5, 2012 at 2:39am

Here are a few images of his coa's and items. I will load more images tomorrow of his photoshop ability.

Look at the photo proof it was stolen from Steve Jackson

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Permalink Reply by DB on November 5, 2012 at 3:31am

AC - excellent....   can you identify (link) where the EBAY Banned list contains SC Substance Collectivles COA as I am not finding it on  EBAY US?    There is a 2ndary scrub list from what I heard that is not published but very few know who exactly is on that one.   I've always wondered if the banned list(s) for EBAY sites were the same?   e.g. I couldn't find a banned list on EBAY UK as I was looking for the UK Based RareandSigned.com that had been added to the US EBAY banned list.

EBAY US Banned List; http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/autographs.html

based on some ebay ID's reported it would appear shill bidding was also in play;

Highly Recommend This Ebayer, Great to Deal with! Asset to Ebay, Thanks A+++ was posted by greatmemorabilia1997  on an alleged purchase from boxingheroes.   All those completed sales; sad! 

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