Queen

Hi everybody,

I would like to challenge you and ask, if you think, that the autographs at the attached files are true or fake.

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

cheers,

Hassan

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on April 14, 2013 at 3:09pm

If you are not going to value anyone's opinion except your own then you are simply wasting everyone's time.  Why even post in the first place?

If you can definitively prove to me and this forum that these autographs are without a doubt genuine, I will gladly give you your asking price should you decide to sell them.  Until then, don't waste everyone's time.

Permalink Reply by Hassan Claussen on April 14, 2013 at 3:15pm

Mike,

as I have mentioned before, I gave value to the community in the first place - that's why I posted it. I am just puzzled about the reaction - that's it.

And how should I prove it? Shall I ask my parents to post my confession about my  running away from home to prove, that I went to see the concert? If in 79 mobile phones with cameras would have been available....

Permalink Reply by Mike T on April 14, 2013 at 3:24pm

If you have absolutely no evidence to corroborate your story other than the signed albums, then why should anyone believe you?  If you want people to believe your story and conversely that the autographs are genuine, post something to back up your story.  You have no photos, tickets, witnesses, news stories, souvenirs, concert memorabilia, dated flyers, advertisements or anything else from that night?  I have been to concerts where I didn't meet the band and still have more to go on than just a story to prove I was there.

Permalink Reply by Hassan Claussen on April 14, 2013 at 3:32pm

Maybe you still misunderstand. I don't want anyone to buy my story. I didn't post the images here to have an applause to my adventure. I thought I find experts that can identify real signatures, but obviously I was wrong.

And when I was going to Bremen at that time, I didn't carry a photomachine with me and I don't have flyers or ads of that night. I have collected my autographs and I didn't want anything else. In fact, I am also upset, that I have not kept the tickets (and in addition to the Bremen concert I also went to the concert in Hamburg, which I believe, was just before). I also went to one of the last concerts of Bob Marley in Hamburg (no autographs :-) ) and I don't have the ticket either...I am just not a collector of this stuff...I have my LPs...

Permalink Reply by Mike T on April 14, 2013 at 3:52pm

The thing about authenticating autographs is that it is a guessing game.  If you are looking to buy autographs that you did not obtain yourself, you are buying based on the value of the item according to the provenance that is associated with it.  It does not really matter who thinks it is real and who thinks they are fake.

If there is no provenance to go with the item, a buyer only has your word to go on.. and since you are the seller, it's not worth very much.  So buyers have no choice but to fall back on the opinions of respected authorities in the autograph community.  Since those authorities are saying the signatures are fake, then unfortunately there is no real monetary value to your items, regardless of how real they may be.  That is just the truth about buying and selling autographed items.

If they have sentimental value to you, that is great, hang them on your wall and share the story with your kids.

Permalink Reply by Hassan Claussen on April 14, 2013 at 3:59pm

Thanks Mike,

I get the point, but still, I believe, a true expert (and a forensic analysis) should result in a real verdict, but as I am not really thinking about selling (ok, if there would be a very good price, I would sell one of them), they will continue on my shelves. And, yes, my older son heard already (more than one time) the story, my daugther is still to young.

But still, comments like "all with the same pen" or "definetly all signed from the same person" - this really puzzles me.

Permalink Reply by Brian M. Wazac on April 14, 2013 at 10:24pm

Hassan, please dont even go there.

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on April 14, 2013 at 3:00pm
Might want to keep a bucket of water handy. Might need to put the fire out.
Permalink Reply by Rich on April 14, 2013 at 3:17pm

Considering you're the only one here that seems to consider this real, I have no idea what you think you've just "proven."  

The sentiment here is pretty solidly that it's fake.  I myself know roughly zero about Queen autographs but have to concur with the sentiment that is makes very little sense that your LPs look pretty well aged/worn/soiled while the signatures look pristine, like they were signed in sharpie last week.

Permalink Reply by Hassan Claussen on April 14, 2013 at 3:24pm

I have not proven anything.

But to prove, that a signature has a certain age should be one of the easiest task, I guess. Forensic sciences should be advanced enough to verify the age of a sig.

But, again, I don't need it for myself, but I would do it, in case, I would be interested in selling an item.

When I was a kid, I collected autographs from my favored football team of that time. Most of them with the same kind of marker - and believe me, they are shining, like I collecetd them last saturday. and that was also late 70s...but...well.. (names: manfred kaltz, kevin keagan, caspar memering, rudi kargus, etc.... - no real financial worth, but I have them all) - but, probably I also faked them last weekend....

Permalink Reply by QueenMuseum Queencollector on April 15, 2013 at 1:31am

I have met several times behaviours like yours. So, thanking you for calling me idiot (I have heard worst comments in the past when people were not happy of my opinion), but I was meaning a totally different thing to the one you kindly explained.

From your story you met the band in a very relaxing moment, otherwise you won't probably got 5 or 7 LP signed (you spoke about a Jazz Lp given to a friend and also I see a Deacon signatures on what seems an Inner sleeve beside one your photos). So Band signatures should be very clear and matching with the ones known from that period.

so what I'm trying to say is the 5 set of signatures, all almost identical, made in a not in hurry situation should at least show some correspondence with the genuine set from end of 70's, early 80's.

Of course it's just my opinion but why insulting me. I can count less than zero in athentication but a thing that I always say to fans/collectors who want to buy a Queen autographed set is : be 100% confident, ask to as many collectors/experts you can, if only one doubt don't buy it.

So if you're happy with those and with your unique memories.. what's the problem?

And I will still collect Queen with passion and respect of others, stamps are really not my cup of tea, thanks.

Permalink Reply by David on April 14, 2013 at 3:38pm

From an outsider's point of view, it seems this person has a personal grudge against the whole autograph business, escpecially with people who give opinions on whether a signature is real or fake.

The whole setup ("I have a challenge for you"), the insults, the aggressive tone, it all seems that this man has some emotional baggage.

Perhaps there is some connection to that other fellow, well-known at this forum, Van DerBeek or whatever he calls himself.  I'm new here, but I did get a chance to observe that guy a few weeks ago in the Jimi Hendrix discussion, and his comments gave me the same eerie feeling as this person does.

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