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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaminski on January 28, 2014 at 4:50pm

Upper Deck can't confirm the authenticity of most autographs they issued pre-2002 I believe. Do you know when this card was issued?

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Permalink Reply by Thomas Volquardsen on January 28, 2014 at 5:11pm

No idea issue date the coa card looks like early 90s but the hologram looks newer style.  In early 90s upper deck used different  holograms

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Permalink Reply by Steve Sipe on January 28, 2014 at 5:25pm

Completely fraudulent item. I managed all the signings with MJ from 1994-2003 and UD did not have anything but their own product signed. The other thing about this is that the certificate used in this image was taken out of the mix sometime in the late 90's but the problem with it is that the old holograms had STAMPED numbers on them not laser printed. Also the font is completely wrong. Even if it were a camp issued cert from then we did not even start certing his camp stuff till 1995/96 and the McNall cert was never used for those.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaminski on January 28, 2014 at 5:28pm

The 3rd picture looks like it has stamped numbers to me.

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Permalink Reply by Thomas Volquardsen on January 28, 2014 at 5:35pm

Thats exacty what I thought the holgram doesnt look right to me.  I didnt know they could forge upperdeck autos 

On the hologram it has upperdeck logo in background how would they reproduce this .  This could be a huge problem if these flood market.  This was bought at frank n sons in CA

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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaminski on January 28, 2014 at 5:41pm

I know UD holograms have been and are being forged, so this comes as no surprise. Steve looks like he knows what he's talking about as well, so I'd be cautious with this one, if not totally avoid it. 

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Permalink Reply by Null on January 28, 2014 at 5:48pm

Thanks for sharing some insight/knowledge Steve

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Permalink Reply by Erich Jerozal on January 28, 2014 at 5:30pm

I was gonna ask why Upper Deck would have Jordan sign a Fleer Ultra card and then put their holograms all over it.  IDK.  Don't know Jordan. 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Sipe on January 28, 2014 at 5:49pm

They used different methods but here are images of the ones that were laser printed, then stamped. The laser printed can be erased I believe since it is printing on top of substrate or they can remove it with a solution. There were TONS of these made in the early/mid 90's when we were doing Hero's of Baseball signings with all  the old timers for UDA/UDC 1992-94

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• Stamped holo UDA.jpg, 187 KB
• UDA large holo old style.jpg, 190 KB
• early UDA holo.jpg, 438 KB

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Permalink Reply by Thomas Volquardsen on January 28, 2014 at 6:00pm

Well I thought it is fake thanks guys your knowledge is very appreciated.   

Forgers are getting upperdeck items did not know that.  I hope other people see this thread to help them along there journey of collecting

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