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Permalink Reply by Darren Ruskin, III on October 10, 2011 at 8:00pm

Did you ask them for a list of their list of "approved" authenticators? If you get this from them, please post the list for us on this website. We are very interested in hearing each and every one of them.

I am sorry to say, but you are getting ready for an uphill battle!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 10, 2011 at 8:04pm

That's the same old BS we hear from the dealers who use forensic document examiners like Don Frangipani, Chris Morales, Drew Max, etc. These FDEs seem to be in the business of authenticating forgeries as genuine.

Roger Epperson has been approved by courts to testify, so ask if they'll go with him. Each court approves the expert witness each time.

Did your guitar come with any so-called independent letter of authentication?

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Permalink Reply by robert zifer on October 10, 2011 at 8:08pm

They have not provided a list of people " approved" by them. But the owner said to let him know who I want to use and he "will see if we can find a nuteral person"

 

Roger Epperson is one of the pople that I did a "quick opinion" with and he said "likely not Genuine. Guess I will see if they will accpet him and ask Roger if he is willing to fill out their form they want me to get filled out listing the persons credentials.

 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 10, 2011 at 8:11pm

My recommendation is that if they won't give you a way to reasonably resolve the matter, you should file a police report. 

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Permalink Reply by robert zifer on October 10, 2011 at 8:16pm

I think ill get a quote for a respectable and reputable "cort certified examiner"

Then send that quote to the Art of Music and tell them they need to reply back in writing that they will refund me 100% of my purchase pluss the cost of the authenicator if it comes back a fake..if they refuse file a police report then take them to court.

I already have a complaint open with American Express, but not sure how well those work.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 11, 2011 at 1:29pm

AMEX and other credit card complaints work pretty well if you file them in time. 

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Permalink Reply by Darren Ruskin, III on October 10, 2011 at 8:16pm

Tell them your grandmother said it was junk. Living or dead, she would know just as much about authenticity as anyone in the state of Las Vegas.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 10, 2011 at 8:55pm

Darren, now THAT's funny...and probably true!

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Permalink Reply by Brian Keeling on April 19, 2018 at 6:04am

I've lived in Vegas my whole life and just learned that it's a state...lol

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Permalink Reply by robert zifer on October 11, 2011 at 8:06am

I ended up contacting the Henderson NV police department and filling a official police report with them and forwarding that information to The Art of Music. I also filled out a mail fraud complaint.

I will be keeping this thread updated as new information comes out of this. I want everyone to know the truth about this and the outcome.

 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 11, 2011 at 8:46am

Good for you, Robert. And smart, because you have to file a police report and try to get a refund in order to get a theft tax deduction for what you lost. It's up to law enforcement to determine if a crime has been committed, though.

I know someone who bought a Beatles album from a charity auction in Las Vegas, sold as signed by the Beatles, that was supplied by The Art of Music. They paid in the $10,000 range for a US release album I believe there's only one known of. 'Nuff said.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on October 11, 2011 at 8:58am

I wonder how many people have complained to the casinos the galleries are in when they got stuck with forgeries. If the casinos have gotten a lot of complaints, there's a chance, albeit small, they could be held liable. High profile landlords like that make buyers feel more confident, which is what some galleries depend on in order to ply their forgeries.

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