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OK here is a JL signature that looks OK but I'm not 100% sure. Is this a printed / stamped facsimile signature? Any thoughts?

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It’s really written, not signed. If John was trying to write a beautiful example of his signature, this could easily be it.

It probably could be John now that I think about it. It’s chisel point fountain pen. In the old days, people used chisel point fountain pens to slow down and make their handwriting better. Especially those of us with horrendous handwriting. Teachers would suggest it. So many characteristics are there, that would make sense in this case.

Fab, if the seller is offering other autographs, do they look right?

Steve. A friend sent it to me so I'd have to ask him.  I must admit it does resemble the '65 signature posted by Terrier8HOF although much neater!!!  It's almost as if John was trying for his best ever autograph. 

Here is one i own that is from 63 and does have a resemblance to it also.expecially the Len 

Here it is.

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It looks really nice, one of the nicest I have seen. I see it is up for sale today in an english auction.

https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/warren-and-wi...

I’m back to believing it’s not real. 

Steve, I just checked the auction via the link supplied by Beatlebum it has a bid of £600 on it with an estimate of £20 to £40. Whats caused you to change your mind? 

you would to be very brave to buy it cos you wouldnt be able to do chargeback or get your money back with such a clever description

Went for £840 before premiums etc.

I'm no lawyer Michelle but "bearing John Lennon signature" sounds like the auctioneer is asserting that it is signed by John Lennon. If they had written "bearing the signature (or name) John Lennon" I would agree that they are making no such assertion.

I have an item for which the cataloguer's description was "window card signed by PM, GH, RS, together with an index card signed John Lennon". I have a sneaking feeling that the wording was cleverly chosen.

Imo there is ambiguity in their statement.  It actually doesnt say it is actually signed in live ink by J Lennon;-it just infers it. obviously enough people did think it real for it to reach £840 without premium but thats just my opin for what its worth. 

the envelope shown in the listing says "a hard day's night" sight by john lennon.

My concerns:

The paper shows water stains but the ink didn't run even though it's signed in fountain pen, outside of the bottom of the loop in 'h'.

It's so neat and uniform, not spontaneous and free-flowing.

There's no uniform baseline with characteristic curve for the entire signature that I'd expect in a signature that looked like this one. John is higher than Lennon and the 'n' of John meets fairly high up the 'L'. It looks like the writer repositioned his hand as he went from John to Lennon.

It also seems out of period. This paperback edition was released in 1964.

This is the one we're discussing:

This is a February 1964 set:

This is March 1965 set:

It doesn't look like it fits the period.

Thoughts?

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