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Stevie Nicks. Genuine or secretarial?

I had this one previously listed in another area and decided this one needs to be discussed in this forum. I am not an expert on Stevie's signature by any means but did have some concerns once I received it. I do know that her personal assistant named Ginny did sign on her behalf quite frequently and her signature is quite similar to Stevie's.

I have also included a Stamp on the back of the photo which links to Ginny which I did not know about until receiving the item.

What say my fellow members. I feel is it, more than likely, a secretarial.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on July 9, 2019 at 3:26pm

Wouldn't it be nice if everything was clear cut! I do have a Stevie Nicks collector who knows her autograph inside out and have just contacted him about this one.

The bottom line is we all strive to uncover the facts. Sometimes the result is not the one we hope for. And...sometimes it does. I like to get as much information possible before I rush to judgement.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on July 9, 2019 at 3:53pm

Keep us posted. I am curious about this.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on July 10, 2019 at 6:12am

I have done quite a bit behind the scenes trying to resolve whether my Nicks signed photo is secretarial simply because it originates from her secretary/personal assistant. I have contacted a few people privately who know Stevie's signature well and have specialized in her for many years. The "bona fide" experts.

I am now 99% certain that my signed photo and those received by others from Ginny are, in fact, genuinely signed by Stevie. In a hobby that is often full on bad news, this is good news.

I have taken this one step further and submitted my signed photo to Beckett to one of their signature reviews. They responded back with just a few minutes with a "likely to pass full authentication". I will be sending the photo to them today to receive that full authentication.

I will follow-up when I receive the photo back. I have gained new insights on Stevie's signature and appreciate all those who publicly and privately shared their knowledge with me.

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Permalink Reply by Mike Shepherd on July 10, 2019 at 6:26am

Good news.

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Permalink Reply by Corey Moylan on July 10, 2019 at 6:55am

The bigger problem is that Beckett has not caught on to these secretarials and they are certing everyone that comes their way. Here is documented proof of Ginny's handwriting. Note specifically the formation of the 'k'. It is still my opinion that this style is 100% Ginny

Please feel free to pass along to PSA, JSA, or BAS if anyone has contacts.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on July 10, 2019 at 7:12am

I understand your concerns although I have communicated with a collector who exclusively focuses on Stevie and has for many years. A "Kamran" like collector who knows about her many traits and habits over many years.

He also is aware of the concerns from some of autographs originating via Ginny. He is also aware that certain parties will benefit greatly financially if these signatures are disputed.

No one can say with 100% certainty although it seems if Ginny was doing this she went out of her way to cover it up. Not the usual routine of secretarial signers who are just doing their job.

You may well be right. And I certainly highly regard your opinion. But, it comes down what is accepted currently by the hobby. It's not a perfect solution but it's the best we have today.

My mind is still open.

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Permalink Reply by Corey Moylan on July 10, 2019 at 7:13am

Just an FYI - The Ginny letters and additional photos were sourced through Bonnie Caryn Ensor, who is one of, if not the biggest Stevie and Fleetwood Mac autograph collector there is

The proof is in the formation of the letters

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on July 10, 2019 at 7:14am

Thank-you. Yes, her name has come up in the discussions I've been having as well.

I'm sure this discussion will continue. I generally don't like loose ends.

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Permalink Reply by Corey Moylan on July 10, 2019 at 7:38am

Just looking out for you Joe!

I honestly don’t think the TPAs have taken the time to really examine these in depth and haven’t seen examples of Ginny’s handwriting like I have posted.

FYI - Bonnie also shares my opinion of this style, I’ve talked expensively with her about this very subject.

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on July 10, 2019 at 7:56am

I know you are, Seamus and I appreciate it and do listen. We have the same ultimate goal.

I do not know Bonnie although I know she shares your opinion. I also have contacts who have signed notes in Ginny's hand as well who are still satisfied that the signatures were signed by Stevie.

So that puts us in a perfect storm. Well educated, experienced collectors with different points of view. Collectors vote with their pocketbooks in the end.

Who knows, maybe Beckett will reject my signed photo before all is said and done. I'll know when it comes back.

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Permalink Reply by James on September 3, 2019 at 6:44pm

I know nothing about Stevie Nicks’ autograph so I can’t comment. However, the big problem with attempting to pass along knowledge and information to the TPAs is that it seems they tend to ignore the advice. They keep doing what they do even when it’s been shown to be wrong. I don’t want to speak for others, but I believe that both Kamran and Wascher have encountered this problem regarding Madonna and Michael Jackson autographs respectively. And this causes fakes to be passed around the hobby certified as the real thing when they are actually fakes.