Authenticity is Everything
Signed Beatles photo
Being auctioned. These look like classic autopen examples to me. Or am I missing something?!
https://www.easyliveauction.com/catalogue/lot/c06763cc33a6451cb243f...
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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This would be them I believe:
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Permalink Reply by Bruce Juice on
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I sent the auction house two examples of the same printed signatures on other items. Let's see if they respond. Their first response was:
Absolutely no chance that you're correct - as the daughter who is listing the item with us, whose father took the photo in the UK and got it signed, worked for the Melody Maker in the 60's and was asked by Epstein to be their photographer for a few months early in the first half of 63.
He also took photos of Lulu, Dusty Springfield, loads of people. Again I'm sorry, but you're wrong.
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What were they wearing when that photo was taken? This is dated February 2nd, 1963:
With Helen Shapiro I believe...as far as the photo date, they played there a month or so...
The group certainly does not look like they just finished a set in the OP photo.
Another:
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Permalink Reply by HangingOnTheWall on
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The photo is interesting, in that It's much larger than other fan club autopen examples. Has anyone seen anything like this on a larger scale before?
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It is written about in the "Beatles Bible" online. - mentioned as a 16" x 20" and signed after the end of the second act. Brian was said to be dressed in a white suit with pink carnation. Initially the photographer declined the opportunity because he felt he would not get paid. I don't believe any of this - those are preprints/facsimiles/whatever.
The Beatles live: Gaumont Cinema, Bradford Saturday 2 February 1963
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New reply from the auction house after I sent him the other photos with the same "autographs"
You have a point with the version you've attached, but I dont know what to say, other than this is a much larger than standard photo.
From where I'm stood this is the ORIGINAL ORIGINAL - the alternative if this is a fake doesnt make any sense, in that either the Dad lied to his family for 55yrs, or a family that are affluent are selling various antiques with us, are just rinsing out another £5k or so on-top...
He worked for Melody Maker, that is a fact, and was a professional photographer.
I appreciate your feedback, but we wont be changing the description nor the listing detail.
James
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This case should be a harsh lesson to those autograph collectors that maintain "provenance is everything" and there must be a detailed story with each set. As others have pointed out, these are not Feb 1963 signatures and were reproduced on a lot of fan photos (I suspect by autopen. given each signature begins with a big fat dot and the wavy lines of each stroke). The picture in question was a poster given away by the UK's TV TIMES magazine in December 1963 in great numbers and autosigned. So there is no connection with Melody Maker that I know of. Frustrating that the auction house maintains this stance. But they are going to embarrass themselves.
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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on
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Omega Auctions sold one for 45 GBP
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Would love to see the auction houses’ response to this. They are being very stubborn.
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Maybe someone wrote them and sent the images. Maybe we will see.
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Permalink Reply by fab432 on
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Yes I wrote them and sent them the Omega auction listing. Here is the reply from James.
“Ive found 3 examples of the TV Times one having been sold at auction, and the signature placement is all the same, not the case on our one..”
I don’t believe anything will change their mind on this. I really find it odd that the signatures are really small on this 16 x 20 photo. Same size as on all the smaller promo cards. I would have thought if the Beatles signed that 16 x 20 in person they would have used more of the space.James
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These are placed slightly differently. Took a bit of looking but not long.
I sent them everything I had in terms of explanations and images and all.
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