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Arnold Schwarzenegger: Difference between Authentic & Secretarial + Signature Study
For a long time, collectors have been warned about the potential for Arnold Schwarzenegger's TTM signatures being secretarial, especially due to the fact that there seemed to be no short supply of them in the 90s. These signatures are VERY close to the real ones, and they can be tough to spot without regular familiarity with Arnold's signature.
I'd like to create a thread outlining the differences between a secretarial and authentic signature. I will post examples of the secretarial signatures, and examples of signatures that I believe are authentic because they come from "official" sources. I will also outline the key differences between the signatures.
Please feel free to let me know if you agree with my opinions, and if there is any other important information that should be included.
There is also a "riddle of steel" to solve at the bottom, concerning official autograph cards. Please comment and help out!
SECRETARIAL SIGNATURES:
CHARACTERISTICS OF SECRETARIAL SIGNATURES:
OVERALL:
If you were to trace a line under these signatures, you'd end up with a very squiggly line. The letters, especially in the "nol" and "hwarzene" do not touch on the same invisible horizontal line under the signature.
These signatures usually have an upward slant to them, and are usually signed straight across the bottom of something.
The letters in these signatures "stand upright".
"ARN":
These letters tend to be very "loopy", with no definition of different letters. It is more of a continuous squiggly line.
"LD":
The "L" tends to be the same height as the "D".
"CH"
The "C" and the start of the "H" tend to bow away from each other.
"W":
This letter is usually very rounded and small, with the second dip of the w very much like the first dip.
"ZENE":
These letters are usually formed loosely, and they all aren't running in the same angle/direction.
AUTHENTIC SIGNATURES:
To ensure the accuracy of this study, I tried to include only "official" verified hand-signed signatures. The first is from a fine art print signed for Sideshow Collectibles in 2005. The next are various in-person signatures from Arnold's book tour in 2012. The final is from Arnold's exclusive signing with Easton Press for a special edition of his book.
CHARACTERISTICS OF AUTHENTIC SIGNATURES:
OVERALL:
If you were to trace a line under these signatures, you'd end up with a relatively straight line. In most instances, each letter touches down on the same invisible horizontal line below the signature. In some cases, his first name and last name don't follow that same line, but each word in his name name still can have a relatively straight line traced under it.
These signatures usually have a rightward slant to them, with about a 15 degree pitch to the signature, in comparison to the upright letters found in the secretarial signatures. Arnold tends to have an overall upward slant to his signatures. Unless he has to sign on a straight line (such as the lines provided on the official signed books), his signature tends to have an overall upwards drift. This can even be seen on the line provided on the Easton Press COA. His signed books without a signature line tend to have an upward drift to them as well.
"ARN":
While some of these letters can occasionally have a loopy characteristic to them, the letters are more defined as three individual letters.
"LD":
The "L" tends to range from being slightly shorter than the "D", to being much shorter than the "D".
"CH":
The "C" and the start of the "H" may slightly bow from each other, but not as dramatically as found in the secretarial signatures. On many occasions, the "C" and the start of the "H" are almost parallel to each other.
"W":
The "W" tends to be larger and more defined on an authentic signature. It is not as rounded, and oftentimes the first dip in the "W" is larger than the second dip.
"ZENE":
These letters are usually tightly defined, and they are usually running in very similar angle/direction.
Tags: Arnold, Authentic, Autograph, Differences, Schwarzenegger, Secretarial, Signature
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Jonathan Tam on
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There are always experts with certain signers / genres. For example I specialise in terminator 2 autos.
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Permalink Reply by Michael on
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That makes sense. Does this look like an authentic Linda Hamilton to you Jonathan? I’m a huge Terminator fan and unfortunately couldn’t make the last convention near me which both she and Michael Biehn attended.
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Couldn't have been that recent - Hamilton's last con appearance was end of 2015 I believe.
It's real.
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Thanks. Yeah I’m from NJ. It was a Chiller Theatre show there I believe she appeared at. I normally go but couldn’t that weekend. Hope she and Michael come back.
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Hey Jonathan,
Wanted to show you this one too. I know you already told me the terminator photo one is authentic with the guy who claims he was at Alamo city. Seems like another one from Alamo city also popped up today. This new seller actually included a photo of his judgment day VIP pass as proof, but I’m a bit troubled bc the signatures do look different to me. It looks like a different marker was used, and I also noticed it’s strange how Arnie never seemed to write the “L” in arnold in the first one I showed you. I’ve never seen him not include the L. I’m including both the old one again and new one here for you to compare. Are you still confident the previous one I showed u is real?
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From time to time he does sign without the first "l" in "Arnold. Attaching other examples where he didnt. Both real. I'd like to buy them too :)
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I have trouble even finding the eBay listings. Could you share the links?
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Three fairly different ones. I guess I could read out the best of both descriptions in hope of saying all are authentic but most likely not. Any opinions? Received TTM with years in-between
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Gold and black marker secretarial (same person). Silver likely genuine or perhaps another secretarial. I have one that looks like the silver one signed in black so perhaps it's also secretarial.
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Thanks! Great job with the autograph study. I thought the one I posted with the black marker could be authentic out of the three... Leaening something new every day
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Oh no. I might not be 100% sure on the silver one but I sure as hell the black one is secretarial.
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I was just saying this after trying to decode the signatures after reading the study. Noting the CH-part and the invisible straight line in Arnold. Glad for your input. I already have him in a signed book but had to check my collection of TTM after reading this.
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