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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on March 1, 2015 at 5:32pm

I certainly understand the concept of inpainting and grafting paper, etc. But what escapes me on this Harrison is the paper texture of the card is completely different than the album cover. Even if you were able to perfectly graft it in and hide the edges with rice paper, how did the rough grain of the card turn into a smooth album cover?

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 1, 2015 at 5:44pm

Before you mentioned that Steve about the texture i was looking at my albums thinking the exact same thing. The white album is ripple without a cut from a white album how do they do it.Also a Sgt pepper has a film over it.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on March 1, 2015 at 5:53pm

Paper mechanics can easily re-gloss a surface to help blend, but the problem is with an autograph you are then glossing over the live ink, which is a problem and it would be evident the ink has been coated over.

In any case, it doesn't shock me this happens, but I feel it should always be disclosed when selling. In terms of the process itself, I find the subject fascinating.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 1, 2015 at 5:56pm

I find it fascinating also disheartening because i collect Beatles.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 1, 2015 at 5:51pm

See how the crease fads out of the white album because it's been cut in.

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Permalink Reply by Dave Stein on April 6, 2015 at 8:32pm

It's amazing that you found that implant of the exact signature.

This is incredible.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 1, 2015 at 4:06pm

Anthony.

Could you tell if a album has been put together by looking on the inside of album where record goes, to see any different colouration in the cardboard.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony on March 1, 2015 at 4:46pm

Generally not. The way you can tell, and I want to emphasize this point, is to look VERY CAREFULLY along the edge of the color of the ink on the signature. Its hard to see, very hard to see at all, but the restoration person will actually cut out the shape of the autograph on the record cover (the outside of the cover NOT going through the inside of the cover) and actually place the original autograph INSIDE that cut. What makes it look SO REAL, is that by doing this it simply looks like the actual indention from the pen pressure when it was signed. The only way I was able to spot the one was because the glue or bonding agent was missing in less than a millimeter of the signature which caused a separation. The tough part is, the separation could have been explained by the pressure of the pen being applied to hard when signing BUT I noticed that this part of the Ringo signature was actually the LIGHTER part of the signature so the separation between the edge of the signature and the cover was noticeable. Had it not been on that part of the signature I would have NEVER have noticed it or thought anything of it. I hope this helps.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 1, 2015 at 4:50pm

It helps thanks mate. Pictures tell a thousand words as well anything you want to share go for it.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on March 1, 2015 at 5:27pm

I'd really love to see one of these in hand. I find it hard to believe they can carve out cleanly along the edges of a signature... especially a fine line ballpoint signature. It would require laser-like surgical precision to cut it, lift and place without damaging it.

I would assume it would be plainly visible under a loupe or microscope, but who knows...

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 1, 2015 at 5:30pm

Page 2 and 3 Steve there's a white album with George pics.

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Permalink Reply by Anthony on March 1, 2015 at 5:37pm

Hi Steve, I know it takes them between 2-4 hours to re-ink the signature. When it comes to cutting and putting the autograph into the album, etc.....usually the turn around time is about 2 weeks. It is very tedious but they do a remarkable job. Its hard to show people examples of this kind of thing because many of these items are in peoples personal collection and they have been authenticated by the best authenticators in the industry. So, if a person was to start pointing out examples it would just open a huge can of worms for everyone involved. Because who is to say that the person who bought it didn't know it was pieced together and then later wants his money back saying that he didn't know it was at the time. The restoration expert can do MIRACLES with these items. It's truly amazing what they can do and at surprising low prices considering the value of the piece that they are working on or creating.

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