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Hello All. PSA/DNA "Titanic" Underwood and Underwood press photo, date stamped April 19, 1912 (just 4 days after the sinking). Listed for $10,000. Unsold thankfully (I think). Neat, huh? Wow!
Unfortunately, that is obviously the just completed New York Chelsea Piers sitting right out the promenade windows on the left. It has been previously published as such. So...absolutely 100% sister Olympic in NYC, 1911, perhaps her Maiden Voyage. Now, I have been advising authors, researchers, modelers, publishing my own work in this area, dealing to collectors and selling to museums in the UK for only 17 years, but I am fairly certain the point was that Titanic did NOT reach her White Star Line Pier 59 in NY, which is IN this photograph? That negative number just sitting there...this also leads somewhere if one doesn't recognize what is right out the windows... ;) And as I mentioned, it has been published.
This is why I do my own research and why I don't buy if I can't "see" it myself. This is why I believe dates and details are extremely important. Know your subject. Buy with your own eye. Perhaps one can argue the cert is "just" for the print as published and the very incorrect subject title does not come into play... - some sort of "we are just a venue..." or some such nonsense. I think otherwise. Subject must be correct!
Below I have tinted the structures that serve to positively identify New York in green (it was green). This combined with the fact the the image was originally published before Titanic was fitted out (linked below) eliminate any other possibility. You can see these structures in my pier candid above it you look closely. How long it takes to change a database I do not know, but this is something else to remember every time I see those darn stickers:
Photo in question published as Olympic Jan. 1911 & Dec. 1912
And something special for me below - a very rare and literally unique hand-tinted candid photograph taken aboard the Adriatic, which took the very last living Titanic survivor, Millvina Dean, back to England with her mother and brother. Her father was lost. She signed this for me just before she died early in 2009. It was among her last autographs. I selected this image deliberately for the content - this would be where she and her mother and brother sat going back home. I like to imagine that is her mother and her looking into the camera seated center (this photo is a bit later - C. 1920). I have never seen anything like it - just common post cards, usually modern reproductions. The rest of these colored images were sold to and published by liner researcher and author Mark Chirnside, whose excellent books and articles I have advised and supplied images for going on many years. His work on Olympic is regarded as superb. Some of the Olympic photographs I identified and authenticated have been published by him. Some came from the same album as the pier photo above. I was contracted to do the color restorations of the Cunard liner Aquitania for his Aquitania: The Ship Beautiful. It was the first time 30 or so true color Kodachrome images from the late 1930's to 1951 have ever been published. A great honor for me.
EDIT TO ADD:
I'm back at home and have more time than I did when I posted. I decided to do the obvious and look for the image online - and it is there, misidentified at several websites. It is common then and now to mistake one for the other. Olympic was much more photographed for obvious reasons, and it was just easier to use the image at hand after the disaster, as in this instance. With a bit more poking (under 3 minutes in all), I just found the image in question online correctly identified as Olympic; originally published in Modern Sanitation, DECEMBER, 1911 vol. 8, No. 12 (Page 446-451) and JANUARY 1912 Vol. 9, No. 1 (Page 12-16).
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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on
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Hello Eva, I had seen that Kaplan Lincoln analysis but thanks again - it is indeed fascinating!
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I suppose my "takeaway" from this was the thread title itself.
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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Not to backpedal too far here, but when in the hell did PSA start authenticating press photos? I have no idea what their angle is anymore.
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Well, there is also how and why! For me, this is was only partially authenticated at best, due to failure to correctly identify what they choose to call the "Primary Subject".
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Imagine a press photograph of the Graf Zeppelin (nearly identical) under construction and printed in the paper right after the disaster to show how Hindenburg was constructed. It would bear a blurb speaking of the Hindenburg disaster.
With this approach we have just seen the "Primary Subject" on the certificate would be...Hindenburg? This is a problem.
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Now one must wonder... Same scenario, but a generic photo of a zeppelin...1937, with a Hindenburg blurb. What is the "Primary Subject" now?
When does what is in the image come into play? Ever?
This is such a weakness. It makes clay ankles look admirable AND fashionable!
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I think the answer to the question I posed above re "...generic zeppelin..." is obvious. And that, my friends, is a shame.
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Permalink Reply by goodcat on
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based on the thread title, it's more than obvious that personal research is of the utmost importance. A signature must stand on it's own legs as does the person judging it.
Too many TPA mistakes and lowlife forgeries are making the homework aspect paramount behaviour
Great post, but can you post about Led Zeppelin instead of that balloon ;) LOL
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Why not Mantle? LOL :D
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December 22, 1907 New York foot of 14th Street. Just a few hours later a 50 mph gust would break her moorings bitts like chalk and send swinging into the pier on the right, sinking the Alice P. Rogers coal barge whose Captain narrowly escaped with a well-timed jump:
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