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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 7, 2024 at 8:14am

No from me.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 7, 2024 at 9:41am

Woops!

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Permalink Reply by Markus Fischer on February 9, 2024 at 1:56am

Hello Eric,

oh, I am surprised that you think this is a fake signature! May I ask what makes you think so?

Honestly, I tend to think it is slam dunk real...

Anyhow, thanks for your opinion!

Best regards

Markus

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 9, 2024 at 2:19am

Hello again,

I took it to be a very slick forgery with 3 small pen hesitations or disturbances. The middle loop of the "E'' after it crossed the "l", the top of the "v" and the top of the final "l". As I said, perhaps too briefly, I think I am mistaken.

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Permalink Reply by Markus Fischer on February 9, 2024 at 3:09am

Hi Eric,

okay, I see! Good points!

Actually, there are no real pen stops. The one on top of the "Presley-l" as well as the one on the final "e" are the results of my trial to remove the background via PhotoShop - as I did not want to start the troublesome "All-German-Autographs-Are-Fake-Discussion" all over again... ;-)

The middle loop of the "E" etc. is just a smudge of the ballpoint pen.

The autograph is written on a Postcard and originally looks like this:

Thank you very much again for this interesting discussion!

Have a great day and week-end

Markus

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 9, 2024 at 5:37am

"Actually, there are no real pen stops. The one on top of the "Presley-l" as well as the one on the final "e" are the results of my trial to remove the background via PhotoShop"

Hello, you should have posted that original - not a manipulated and altered version. You  changed the surface and ink appearance while removing context. I have never seen this done here before.

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Permalink Reply by Markus Fischer on February 9, 2024 at 8:09am

Dear Eric,

please let me apologize first - I never meant to deceive or outsmart someone  here! I just wanted to present this Elvis autograph as neutral as possible, just to avoid anybody reading German words on the postcard and immediately denouncing the signature because of this.

I did not at all alter the signature, I just tried to remove the words from the postcard touching the signature. And as the final l goes through a dotted line and the final e through printed text, it may have been misleading. Please accept my apologies!

Please have a look at this high-quality scan of this area - in my humble opinion these are no pen stops, but just smudges from the ballpoint pen.

Sorry, dear Eric, for any inconvenience caused.

I still highly appreciate the contributions and comments of all esteemed members here.

I wish you a great evening and a good start into a great week-end

Markus

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Permalink Reply by Eddy on February 9, 2024 at 9:47am

Not much experience studying Elvis so won't comment on this signature.  I will say that the beginning of this thread is another example of the need to post images of any given item as fully as possible at the get go rather than later on down the thread.  I think your original image was a good one for close examination but should have been posted after the one of the whole postcard.    

I don't accuse you of trying to deceive with this.  I just think it's another good reminder to us all of how a complete picture as possible to provide context is important when requesting feedback.  Otherwise, those giving opinions are at an immediate disadvantage.

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Permalink Reply by Markus Fischer on February 9, 2024 at 12:26pm

Dear Eddy,

many thanks for your honest opinion.Point well taken - another lesson learned today ;-)

In future, I will post only the full picture of an autograph.

But as I said, my intent was not to influence people's judgement because of the German postcard. Didn't want this to backfire :-)

So thank you very much and looking forward to many more fruitful discussions here in this great forum.

My best & have a great week-end

Markus

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 9, 2024 at 10:37am

Dear Markus,

I never thought you were trying to deceive, but not showing all data clearly hardly helps you get the most accurate opinions as eloquently stated by Eddy below. Your concern about the location or assumptions regarding origins was unnecessary though - your page lists your location as Leonberg, Baden-Wuerttemberg, Germany.  And I don't think anyone here in these Forums would just simply jump to that conclusion.

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Permalink Reply by Markus Fischer on February 9, 2024 at 12:49pm

Hey Eric,

okay, good - I am glad that you do not bear a grudge. Thanks! I learned my lesson and I will only post full images henceforward.

As you looked up correctly, yes - I am a German citizen and due to this fact I am generally very interested in the period of time Elvis spent here in Bad Nauheim during his army stint. I guess I have all the books ever printed about this subject - and several autographs from that period, too.

I am just very reluctant to a certain mindset which you can find in any kind of internet community which goes like this:

German Elvis autograph? Conclusion 1) Must be a fake per definition and 2) Must have been faked by a guy called Hans Bakker from the Netherlands.

May I just give you two quotes why I tend to think differently:

a) Roger Epperson, Autograph Collector April/May 2007:

„(...) Within a month of returning home, the forgery ring (i.e. Bakker) was shut down. (...) Few of this items show up any more.“ --> He speaks about the mid-Nineties, so where do all the Bakkers emerging today come from?

b) Al Wittnebert (UACC) in “A Study of Elvis Presley’s Autograph” (2007):

„(…) Autographs flowed freely as well as posing for photos with fans. This time in history produced the largest amount of authentic Elvis Presley autographs that appear on the market today. Most were photos taken with fan’s cameras, who then brought them back at a later time to have Elvis sign them. Again during this time the examples of Elvis’ autographs were consistent."

I hope you take this as a contribution to an exciting discussion and not as any kind of offense.

As always, I am happy to learn and accept and respect different opinions.

Wishing you a happy evening and a great week-end
Markus from Germany ;-)

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on February 9, 2024 at 1:02pm

Thank you Markus. If I recall correctly, we have some members who can ID a Bakker and we have also had a number of authentic German signatures and photos as well. I also wish you a great weekend :-)

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