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Permalink Reply by Dwayne Epstein on March 10, 2016 at 9:38pm

Once again and hopefully finally, the wording was based on what I knew at the time which, to my mind, did not require research as the advertisement and winning response stated. When you win a contest (more than several decades ago, I might add) it doesn't alwasy occur to the winner to check the authenticty of the source, especially when it's a national magazine. Clearly, I erred and the honus is also clearly on me, as well as the embarrasment, humilation and worse, loss of what I had long thought to be a personal treasure.
I am not nor have ever claimed to be an expert as that is a dangerous claim fraught with peril and I wish you well with it. Why you persist in this I have no idea. I have been ripped off and feel rotten about it. Instead of showing any understanding you choose to continue to finger wag. Hey, thanks for the support. 

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Permalink Reply by Jason Charnick on March 10, 2016 at 10:33pm

Dwayne, as the OP on the thread, and someone who's had a couple of, albeit brief, e-mail exchanges with you, let me say I'm sorry you had to find out this way. It stinks, I know it. As I mentioned in one of my e-mails, I too have had a prized possession that hung proudly in my home for almost 20 years prove to be a fake. It's like the swiftest of kicks to the jewels, the initial pain is unbearable, and leaves quite a sting behind for a long time. I don't think you meant any ill-will, and quite frankly, I knew it was too good to be true. After seeing your initial listing not sell, that should have raised red flags, but hey, I get it. I forked over the $10 for the PSA/DNA QO, and it actually just came in 5 minutes ago, and of course "Likely Not Genuine."

And it stinks that there's not a lick that can be done now. I can see exactly how it went down in 1988. Premiere Magazine (of which I had a subscription at one time) ran a contest, and thought they were getting a legit piece themselves, I'm sure. For whatever reason, the Chairman didn't want to be bothered with such trivialities, so his secretary signed it. Whether at his behest, or they took it upon themselves, who's to say?

Either way, for me and many others at least, the only thing that matters is the graph. I'm sorry yours isn't real, and again, I'm sorry you had to find out this way. But better now than after selling it to someone who most likely would have been a lot tougher on you than the folks here, or than a single eBay neg would have been.

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Permalink Reply by Dwayne Epstein on March 11, 2016 at 7:27am

Thank you, Jason.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 10, 2016 at 10:38pm

"...When you win a contest (more than several decades ago, I might add) it doesn't alwasy occur to the winner to check the authenticty of the source, especially when it's a national magazine..." - Dwayne

No, of course not, but if you are going to claim something you have admitted to having no knowledge of at all is genuine when selling it, then you did have occasion and cause to verify the authenticity of the signature for your customer and yourself and learn it was not genuine.

I have never claimed to be an expert in anything, nor did I use that word, so don't wish me well or imply I did.

Sorry you got ripped off - you might have had someone look at the poster in '88 and met with some recourse. The magazine doesn't even exist anymore, other than in France. You might also have spent the $10 or $15 before listing the poster on eBay and taking such a chance and making such claims. I am not showing much understanding because I am looking at someone who simultaneously states they have no experience at all in these matters, yet makes such bold factual claims as you did in your auction - "Personally signed by Frank Sinatra himself! The autograph is genuine and NOT a repro, copy, computer generated, stamped image, or non-authentic signature of any kind."

The only good to come of this is that you learned the truth and ended your listing.

Eric

Edited/reposted for spelling.

 

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 10, 2016 at 10:45pm

Kevin Conway is a great person to ask on Frank Sinatra. Erik and other members are very good on Sinatra secretarials. Kevin is also very good at detecting Sinatra forgeries.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 11, 2016 at 12:26am

With all this I missed the most obvious thing completely. Why would Sinatra sign that poster in 1988 with a 1940's/early 50's "F"?

Eric

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