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George Harrison Index Card

Does this look to be legitimate?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 7, 2015 at 4:38am

N.Steiger,

The example you're comparing was quickly signed on an index card in ballpoint pen. You can't compare it to carefully signed in Sharpie on the slick surface of an album cover.

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Permalink Reply by Thorsten Knublauch on March 7, 2015 at 5:33am

I have literally 100s of Harrison autograph in my files and his writing style is different very often and you might be right - when you look at my Cloud nine examples -that he wrote on that slick cover different - more carefully - as on index cards or paper. George most of the time wrote his full name - not as Paul - and therefor he has different styles depending on his time, item or the pen used....

Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on March 6, 2015 at 9:25pm

N, nice analysis. Hard part to see is that the start and stop points that are pointed out are at the points of continuation of the signature where natural backtracking in the signature takes place. These don't look like start/stops that I normally see.

Just my two cents. Not a Harrison expert by any means.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on March 8, 2015 at 6:19pm

check this out so you can see what a start and stop looks like, then look at the george highlighted graphic I posted. On the george it is a little harder to see cause they tried to go over it again but they missed and left the "spot" that only happened when the pen abruptly stops and lifts off the item.

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Permalink Reply by Thorsten Knublauch on March 7, 2015 at 5:20am

Steve Here is another one - not very common flow from the H to the G as one the one Clound Nine CD I posted.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on March 7, 2015 at 11:54am

this almost proves my point about the flow path in Paul's, George went right from the bottom of the H to the horizontal slash in the H. If you look at Paul's and outline the flow path it would have taken to connect the two would have been a 4" loop on the album, it is completely unnatural and wrong to his signature. And the reason is because his were done with stops and starts. And if you add this into the equation with all this other evidence the case is close, FAKE

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 7, 2015 at 1:33pm

Steiger your talking about putting it under a scope I was wondering are you a fds?

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on March 8, 2015 at 2:29pm

What is an FDS?

I mean one of the those scopes that Steve Grad uses to see the actual ink path. While I think Steve is a bozo that tool is useful. In truth I could hold your album in the sunlight and see the ink just fine because it is glossy and signed in a sharpie.

Paul, I have been using sharpies getting autographs in person for 25 years. I know how to properly identify ink paths. I will work on "recreating" this exact anomaly tonight to show you.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on March 8, 2015 at 2:43pm

I think he means FDE: forensic document examiner.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on March 8, 2015 at 2:56pm

Fde. I meant.

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Permalink Reply by N.Steiger on March 8, 2015 at 6:38pm

in that case no but I always wanted to work for the FBI, problem is you need to be a cop first typically, or a criminal like in Catch Me If You Can...

I have been obsessed with autographs since I was 10 years old, my buddies and I were identifying auto pens and stamps and secretarials from our TTM autographs in grade school. It's a massive part of my life and I have more first hand experience then 90% people on this site. I know what I am talking about. I admit, my brain doesn't have every musician ever stored in it, I am not a savant but I know how study and authenticate and I know how to read the ink.

There was something strange about your autograph Paul, and before you even showed me close up images I called out that "I" and sure enough I was right. Is it not just the "I", it is the untypical alignment of the G's, the unnatural alignment of the "H" components and how they don't flow how his natural signature would run. It is the untypical size issue in the "arrison" etc... If it was just one thing I'd look past it but it's everything and then the smoking gun, the "I". And possible another one on the "a" but I can't see it well enough. It is 100% a forgery and I would stake my life on it.

check this out so you can see what a start and stop looks like, then look at the george highlighted graphic I posted. On the george it is a little harder to see cause they tried to go over it again but they missed and left the "spot" that only happens when the pen abruptly stops and lifts off the item. (this is Bill Gibson from Huey Lewis and the news BTW)