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Harrison Ford Questionable Autographs
Some of you know me, and from what I understand, someone caught selling yet another bad Ford autograph has once again, decided to spout off at the mouth. Claims that I am a dealer and I only tell unsuspecting autograph buyers that their item is fake so that I can sell my own Harrison Fords. Again I am hearing claims that the likely supplier of the forgeries is the true expert on Harrison Ford autographs.
Side note the seller sent me a friend request message yesterday with the single question about if I knew a particular collector. In my world this says plenty, and likely tells me where the piece originated.
When I tell people that I track the sale of Harrison Ford autographs, I am not kidding around, I watch sales here, I watch sales on rebelscum and on ebay and other online auction sites.
Who signed them? Who is the forger? I am not going to play games and point fingers, nor will I even guess if the supplier is the forger, all I can do is put together where they came from.
I will give the people that have had these in their possession, that courtesy. They can come clean about where they got them as the "in-person" and "private signing" stories fall apart.
This is the same courtesy I tried to provide to Marc Moser, the last guy caught in a huge Ford Forgery mess. He decided to drag my name thru the mud for a few months as well, but by doing that he just shot himself in the foot. People will wake up sooner or later, and the truth does come out.
I present these images to you, again supplying the signatures and letting the people on this forum and others as judge, you decide the truth. You will also be the deciding factor if these autograph professionals keep their reputations or if they have earned brand new ones.
Every item below has been tracked to the most recent seller, and through his own admission the source of the autographs, I will also include items sold elsewhere by the supplier who admitted on these very pages to supplying some of these.
The pattern is pretty clear to me.
As for the recent claims about me being a dealer, out to only hurt other peoples supposedly reputable business.
Please keep in mind, that anyone that has purchased anything at all from me in the past 5 years has approached me. When they do I usually point them in other directions and offer to authenticate (for free) any item they ask about, from any other source.
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Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on
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It looks like a grade schooler trying to copy an early 80's Ford.
100% fake. Pretty sure this was covered here on the site somewhere recently.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Hi Pete,
Someone is considering buying this and her friend is getting opinions. Whatcha think?
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It has a shot, but without a good clean image of the F going into the ORD, the image provided makes it look wrong......this image makes it look like the H is leading into the ORD instead of the F.If they want an actual answer as to it's chances they need to provide a better image of the paint trails throughout the signature. With special attention to the F and where the ORD starts.If they can't or won't it isn't worth discussing, or even considering.
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Interesting. I thought it looked way off. Thanks, Pete
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I am only seeing this as a rushed standing in the streets autograph, Harrison's signature is a whole different monster when it's not coming from a sit down controlled signing.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff Herrmann on
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Just curious Pete, so in your opinion it wouldn’t pass TPA? So if that’s the case, even if it is real they aren’t really worth having is it?........
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I can't even try to guess what most TPAs would do. I can say with complete certainty that Steve at Beckett is a Star Wars collector who has been infront of Ford probably more than I have. We still disagree on some graphs, but he is probably the only guy who should be getting paid for authenticating Ford.
The number of TPA stickers I have seen on bad Fords would shock collectors right out of this hobby.
With all that being said, I have been a strong supporter of pieces that do not stand up as "the usual" never being authenticated. I don't think they should be stickered the same way that a vintage sample or a quality sample is, especially when some inperson rushed graphs are no more than a scribble.
Look at autographs of the past. Would you want a John Hancock that was just scribbled or an unreadable John Lennon, that looks nothing like the standard?
25 or 50 years from now when Harrison is no longer with us, what do you think will be worthy of having?
$250-$500 now that might be worth less in 25 years, or $750 now that has a shot at being worth multiples of $750?
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Those are awesome points and I always appreciate your vast knowledge. As I think everyone has burned at some point. Do you know if some of the autograph houses that do sit downs have a TPA or witness of his signings would be stickered differently? Something to look for when shopping so to speak? I know OPX has the different shields for different levels of graphs. I didn’t know if there was a difference when there is a reputable witness in the room. Does/would that make a difference?
Another question, for all of us that have cast pieces without Ford, and the zero chance of ever getting a send in to finish it, getting a street graph that couldn’t be authenticated would kill the value of the piece altogether wouldn’t it?
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I am only aware of one company (that is well regarded as an autograph witness) and they only witness comic books being signed. Ford has done signings of modern comics and CGC has been there to witness the signings and slab the books.
Official Pix as you mentioned does have their shield hologram on any item they have handled the signing for. The hologram will specifically state that the autograph is authentic. Other holograms appear on their licensed images and do not state anything about any autograph on the item, it is only talking about the image itself.
Yes a reputable witness would certainly make a difference. Any Ford signed item with an Official Pix Authentic Hologram or any Cool Waters Hologram on a Ford piece would in my opinion be as reputable as if I watched him sign it myself.
I never say never, a send in may yet happen someday, when and if it does, you should expect the pricing to be many multiples of his standard pricing. The usual numbers today seem to range from $750-$1500 depending on the item, so if you can do a send in at some point in the future, I can't see it being less than $3000.
Adding a street graph and worrying about it hurting value? Anything can happen in the streets , and nearly every hunter that may take your item into that mess is going to price it on a "pen to paper" basis. That means if Ford so much as touches your item with a sharpie, you are going to pay, no matter what the signature looks like. If you ever choose to go this route.....make damn sure the person you contract to do the work is beyond a doubt in the minds of this hobby.
A scribbled graph on your Star Wars poster that cousin Joe got Harrison Ford to sign, is a loser.
A scribbled graph from Harrison obtained by K9, with his hologram on the back is not going to be a loser. Star Wars fans all know K9's reputation and abilities.
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