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Permalink Reply by David on March 9, 2021 at 10:02pm

One more question about your recommendation here - are you recommending I do not send them in to the PSA because you do not believe they will pass? Or is it because their opinion doesn't carry too much weight in this instance? Given the source I acquired these comics from, I would think it is at least worth a shot. My thought process is this. What are the odds that:

1.) The studio and/or their official partner forged 14 signatures of their own actors, while the show is still active, to scam their fans.

and

2.) The PSA incorrectly certifies all 14 of those forgeries as authentic upon close inspection.

I'm thinking the odds of the above two things both happening would be very, very low (obviously assuming they do pass). What do you think about this line of thought?

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Permalink Reply by David on March 10, 2021 at 1:00am

Also, see attached for the e-mail I received directly from MGM, obviously a well known movie studio. This e-mail is essentially why I am starting with a mindset that these autographs are authentic, but am digging deeper in an attempt to achieve as much provenance as possible. Essentially, how much provenance do you think the source adds in a situation like this? Surely, I would think this would greatly increase the odds of authenticity versus buying off a random seller on eBay, irrespective of how the signatures look.

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Permalink Reply by Bill on March 10, 2021 at 11:42am

thats what I thought at first Glance

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 10, 2021 at 11:56am

Bill - I'm sorry - I can't tell what you responded to.

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Permalink Reply by Bill on March 11, 2021 at 6:06am

I thought they were by the same hand also

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 11, 2021 at 6:31am

Thank you Bill.

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 9, 2021 at 7:32pm

So the seller is the prop manager?

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Permalink Reply by David on March 9, 2021 at 7:35pm

Yes, see a link to the item on their website: https://vipfanauctions.com/shop/wema-2021/wema-2021-part-2/lot-257-...

If you look at their website, they have been selling hundreds of props from the show which are 100% beyond any doubt authentic. The studio (MGM) also directly confirmed with me that they are an official partner. Which is why I will be shocked if it turns out these autographs are forged.

I mean, after all, why in the world would they try to forge these autographs when the actors are their employees?

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on March 9, 2021 at 7:48pm

"... By making a bid on an Auction Item, the Bidder accepts the actual condition of the Auction Item and acknowledges that if a bid is successful, the Buyer is agreeing the buy the Auction Items “AS IS, WHERE IS”...."

"... If a Buyer demonstrates, to VIP’s reasonable satisfaction, that the attribution attributed to an Auction Item is materially incorrect, the sale will be rescinded if the Auction Item in question is returned to VIP in the same condition in which it was at the time of sale. In order to satisfy VIP that the Guarantee of Attribution is materially incorrect, VIP reserves the right to require the Buyer to obtain, at the Buyer’s expense, the opinion of two experts in the field, mutually acceptable to VIP and the Buyer...."

If they are fake you will have to jump through hoops you pay for. These kind of Terms I don't like. "AS IS" says a lot.

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Permalink Reply by David on March 9, 2021 at 7:56pm

I believe that's the same terminology they use for their props, which is 99% of what they sell. Many of the props are damaged or worn, so I can definitely see why they include language like "AS IS" in their terms. Also, the comic book itself isn't in good condition, which I know would be a turn off for a lot of comic book collectors.

Outside of more replies in this thread, official authentication might be the only further provenance I can get. I just can't see why they would be selling fakes - wouldn't this basically be the equivalent of a party like the Staples Center or Nike selling or giving away fake LeBron James autographs?

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Permalink Reply by Butters24 on March 10, 2021 at 4:11am

Every heard of Universal Media?  They LOVE to sell their customers fake autographs from their employed artist.

Big named companies do sell fakes.  It sucks, but its happens

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Permalink Reply by David on March 10, 2021 at 11:17am

How common would you guess it is for companies to sell fakes of their own employees? I certainly won't argue that it happens (hence, why I created this thread in the first place), but I assumed stuff like that would be the exception instead of the norm.

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