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John Lennon Autograph 1963?

There's been mixed opinions concerning this John Lennon autograph from 1963.

Roger Epperson has said "he thinks it's fine" via his quick opinion...

Picture has been uploaded with also the added letter from the lady who has stated she obtained it.

Looking for some extra help from members on here if possible, thanks :)

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Permalink Reply by michelle on December 12, 2017 at 8:28am

yes you could well be right Jim

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Permalink Reply by RobTwoRs on December 12, 2017 at 8:30am

There is a few questions that are raised for me that I just cannot get my head around. I cannot get my head around why the lady, "Georgina Price" would write her full address down on the letter (a correct address not false) and sign it if the intent behind it was to sell a forgery.

As you already know with forgeries there is normally no contact details or address. I'm definitely a believer in that the autograph tells the story rather than the story tells the autograph as many people believe the story rather than studying the autograph but there were elements of her story that she did not have to say which support the autograph if she did in fact obtain it. Like talking about her taxi journey, the support bands and which order the songs were played in and waiting around and just feeling lucky to see the beatles let alone get John's autograph.

The Lennon also matches authentic examples from that period, in my opinion it's not written slowly, it's on notepad paper which is what she said she got it on and it has the right aging on the paper by having slight yellowing (not white) and being a school girl makes sense to have notepad book on her and after getting her autograph it would of been closed in her book keeping it in good condition. If it is indeed a forgery it has to be either a machine that's done it, if one exists!? or a master forger because it is not written slowly and certain traits of the John Lennon signature match up to existing exemplars including the "love" & "from", and the way he's wrote the letters of his name and inscription, like the curved "l" in love,then there is a little loop in the "o" after the L which exists in authentic examples. the "f" in from which looks like a w, would a forger be able to get all of that right and done that flowing and to that level? also wouldn't a forger just write "John Lennon" instead of adding the extra writing, probably would as nothing suprises me but I cannot see it all being forged to that level surely? maybe there is something I am not seeing?

Im just trying to keep an open mind here as am happy to accept everyone's opinion here that it's edging towards not authentic, but sometimes when studying an autograph can we be over paranoid and actually dismiss an authentic autograph as not authentic?

Thanks everyone for your input, this has been an interesting discussion! :)

here are some considered authentic examples below with the similar "love from" inscriptions...

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Permalink Reply by RobTwoRs on December 12, 2017 at 8:34am

Another "love from" inscription Lennon...

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Permalink Reply by RobTwoRs on December 12, 2017 at 8:35am

Also this Lennon in this full set has sharp points...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 12, 2017 at 9:09am

Definitely, keep an open mind, Rob. There are businesses that sell forgeries every day of the week where you know who owns the business and where they're located. And autograph authenticity is often not cut and dry like other collectibles. In many cases you don't realize something is of questionable authenticity until you find others with similar characteristics.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 12, 2017 at 8:39am

Here's the Lennon cropped close so it's easier to see on phones:

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 12, 2017 at 8:50am

Here's a comparison image with the Lennons from the images Rob and Terrier posted:

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 12, 2017 at 8:56am

Notice how the L on the bottom 4 are curved throughout and the one Rob posted in the original post starts with a straighter line and the curve at the bottom is tighter than the others.

Notice that the downstrokes of the Ns curve leftwards on most, where the ones in the original post are fairly straight lines.