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Justin Beiber & Ariana Grande Signed "Stuck With You" CDs
https://shop.justinbiebermusic.com/products/stuck-with-u-signed-ori...
Ships in 12 weeks, around August 6th. Signed by BOTH Beiber & Ariana. Worth the risk for $5, who else wants to autopen gamble with me out there? Was $32 for 4.
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Permalink Reply by Doc See on
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Please forgive my ignorance, but I am relatively new to this and how do you know that they are fake signatures ? I want to be aware of the forgers tactics ? Thanks in advance for your response.
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Permalink Reply by Paunch Show Greg on
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The Ariana sig is clearly the same one on every CD jacket, they use a printer or a plotter-like device with marker attached. That's what we call auto-pen. The Bieber seems like it's actually signed.
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They use a machine like this... https://youtu.be/3ohDaX4uxKY
Nobody can sign 100% identical signature every single time, it's impossible. A machine like this can sign but it copies the same design over and over. So all the signatures will look the exact same (size, pen pressure, shape, etc).
Some celebs have used these with multiple signature styles (Ozzy did this) he had 3 or 4 different autopen signatures to try to make it more realistic, but as soon as they were posted online people realized they were all identical but a few different identical signature styles.
The Bieber autograph is most likely done by an assistant (a secretarial signature). Aka someone other than the celeb that the celeb authorizes to sign for them so they don't have to waste their time... Someone else can waste theirs for them.
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Just to add to that so you can stay away from autopen signatures, they usually have a dot at the beginning and end of the signature because the pen pauses in that spot longer than a person would. So its like if you set the tip of a sharpie on a paper and it soaks up and makes a dot. That's usually a good sign of an autopen... Another sign is if the pen pressure is perfectly even throughout the whole signature. The autopen keeps the pen at the exact same distance and pressure on the paper, so there aren't thinner spots on the signature like a human signature would have... Since no human can hold a pen perfectly straight in the exact same position while signing. Sometimes it's harder to tell the pen pressure if it's a thick paint marker or something but those are just a couple more tips to watch out for if you're new to the hobby. Hopefully that helps a bit.
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CH8DQwyjpS7/?igshid=1qzt3ox5rq73l
more. Ariana’s signature looks literally the same in these
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Permalink Reply by Rich on
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I'm flirting with the idea of just doing a chargeback on these, since I don't want to deal with UMG's BS and them charging me for the downloads.
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Pay 180 days for paypal. They did this s*** on purpose. I'll fight with UMG all day. I didn't touch a single download.
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Permalink Reply by damageinc777 on
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Yeah I just filed a case that was denied because it was past the 180 days. Score one for UMG the thieves of the internet.
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Was that Paypal that denied? I think if we all complain and let them know it was everyone we might have a slim chance.
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Yeah Paypal immediately denied it. I started a claim and as soon as I closed the window I had an email shooting me down. It was only $10 but with UMG it's just the point.
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I think that if you write to Paypal and show them where you were corresponding with the company and the product that you received wasn't what you were expecting, you should have the right to return the item for full credit. I have seen posts on Twitter where even the teenage, bubble-gum-chewing girls are complaining that the signatures are fake. It is a clear and cut case for deceptive and false advertising. You can try going through your bank as your bank will be more aggressive than Paypal. Last, try going through the Better Business Bureau and state that the items that you received were not what you had expected and that you would like your money back and promise to return the items. UMG has a ton of complaints against them and Taylor Swift is getting back at Scooter Braun by re-recording her old music because she doesn't want him to profit off of her work any long. I am so glad that I didn't buy this item.
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