Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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****WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSION****
“Signed” copies of Liza Minelli’s new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, actually include autopen signatures.
Multiple signatures appear to share identical geometry in specific segments when overlaid.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures:
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath.
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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The signatures in these books appear to have been produced by an advanced autopen system capable of introducing subtle variations in letter structure and placement, likely intended to disguise the mechanical origin.
Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Jason H
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Seems like a possible upgrade from older autopen machines. It looks like there is variable pen pressure and random manipulations from templates of which there may be many. This could be a huge find in the ever continuous quest to protect our hobby. Great job Matt M.
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Knob Dylan, that's an interesting point about Premiere Collectibles and their JSA option. I wonder if Liza's team was aware of this add on from premiere and made sure she signed these bookplates by hand
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Thanks Jason, I appreciate it…you set the bar for this sort of thing!
Thanks Knob Dylan for posting that photo. I did some overlaying with it… there are some weird similarities showing up (not uncommon), but I didn’t find anything concrete off the bat.
And I agree- I think that’s a good point about how the Premiere copies were supposedly JSA Authenticated. Not sure what to make of that yet.
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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan
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Not a problem Matt M, you guys are waaaay better than me with this stuff and although I didn't buy a Liza, I definitely appreciate your guys time and effort towards this. These "signatures" are not good (at least the non-bookplated ones so far).
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That's why I didn't post this yet in the new Liza Autopen thread. I'd love to see more of the Premiere bookplated versions especially if they have the JSA certification. The others on Ebay all look very close to the templates Matt and others have posted here. Quite a few sellers with 6 or 7 already sold and another 3 or more in their stock. None look good to me but someone's paying $80 to $90 or more for autopens.
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I'm confused now, found this on Facebook supposedly from premiere. Did they sell bookplate and regular versions?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/187zXutVbB/
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I think Premiere were all bookplates, here's a post from August 15th stating signed bookplate.
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minnelli-signe...
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Hi Jason,
When i purchased my copy it stated personal autograph inside book.
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Or maybe they changed the listing to bookplate edition after i purchased the book. I always take a screenshot for proof if i have to argue the fact at a later date.
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That's what I assumed actually. They are good at changing their listings as they see fit for price and descriptions. Your probably right, sold the regular version until they ran out, then changed it to a bookplate version. Either way, good to have verification they sold both. In case the bookplates are fine, can't assume you were safe buying from premiere
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