Authenticity is Everything
Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.
Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.
You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.
Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)
Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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Thank you, Greg, I’ve added yours into my collection and will continue looking for anything suspicious on those.
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Permalink Reply by Knob Dylan
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That's the first example I've seen where the first L (in love) actually curves upwards after the completion of the bottom loop. Hmmmm....
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Thanks JJ.Yeah Knob Dylan, I had just noticed the same thing. I’ve done a few comparisons on Premiere that overlap at multiple points (in a way that would not appear to be a coincidence), but that part is different on that one.
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I wonder when Greg's book was very first mailed? The autopen/secretarial /secret voodoo(???) discussion was in full swing and public knowledge by Wednesday, March 11th. It's probably nothing but I still wouldn't put anything past Premiere. Sorry, too many shenanigans throughout their past.
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I received a shipping notification on 3/3 and received the book on 3/10, so it was before the autopen discussion was in full swing.
Thanks to Matt and others for your work on this!
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Gotcha. Premiere was ahead of schedule. From their website "This is a pre-order product. Please allow 1-2 weeks of handling time after the 03/10/2026 release for the author to sign the books." That also doesn't include the additional 1-2 weeks for their $12 JSA certification, which I'd really like to see some of those if anyone actually paid for it. Thnx Greg.
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Matt - Here is mine from PC that arrived on the 10th. I think I was the first bookplate before anyone else posted across the internet/ebay.. at least for a few days.
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Still working on Premiere but may pick back up tomorrow.
For now, I’ll just repost this one (These are two that I’ve used and shown before).
These are two different autographs shown in overlay:
Slight adjustment in orientation to get this (still using same autographs):
Any points that may not line up exactly are not as concerning as how much of it does overlay.
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If it's useful, here's mine from an independent retainer in the UK. I also have a couple more coming that I bought for gifts, which I'm kinda annoyed about if they are not genuine!
- Attachments: No photo uploads here
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PXL_20260315_155850957.jpg, 2.4 MB -
PXL_20260315_155840215.jpg, 2.6 MB
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Hachette are giving UK bookshops assurances that the books are genuinely signed.
I'm still raising an eyebrow...
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