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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!

Starting this separate thread to track the Liza Minnelli autopen situation.

Signed copies of her new book, Kids Wait Till You Hear This!, include autopen signatures.

You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...

Feel free to post your examples or any info on the return situation.

Overlay Video 1 (click title to play video)

Note how “Liza” matches up (click title)

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-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly

-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well

-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.

Overlay Video 3

Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one

-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well

Overlay Video 4

Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.

Overlay Video 5

Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person

Overlay Video 6

Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift

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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.

Example:

First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:

Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:

Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):

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It appears that the autopen signatures in these books were generated by an advanced autopen machine that can produce subtle variations in letter structure and placement that would disguise the use of autopen. Please see this video to learn more on how this works:

https://youtu.be/pROf6q-9POU

A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:

https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...

Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You

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Permalink Reply by Jason H 9 hours ago

Thanks Matt, Im not sure of the quality you see on your end but they are too small of samples to use. I saw this previously. its way too pixelated when zoomed in large enough unfortunately. bummer on my end using a PC now (finally). good for smaller examples but there's no way to see the closeup details for better comparison

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 9 hours ago

Ah ok. Yeah, that may be a screenshot of a screenshot at this point . I wish we had better quality of those. I used them for a bit early on, before I had a lot of examples here. They were difficult to work with because they were so small. But it was where I first started noticing some of the repeating patterns/segments

Permalink Reply by Jason H 9 hours ago

I could try to enhance them but that wouldn't be ideal and could compromise the integrity of research

Permalink Reply by Chris 5 hours ago

Here's one of my other examples from an independent UK bookshop that arrived today.

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PXL_20260317_071315977.jpg, 2.8 MB
PXL_20260317_071323713.jpg, 2.6 MB

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 1 hour ago

Great, thank you Chris. I had also stored your other one as well.

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Permalink Reply by Chris 1 hour ago

Might be worth comparing the two in case there's some pattern in the UK editions? Though I imagine they have all been imported from the same central place. I also have a third copy on the way (which I no longer want)...

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Permalink Reply by Matt M. 17 minutes ago

Will do, that’s probably something worth exploring. I’m probably going to try to work on some more in a bit but still building examples and will test both of yours.