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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****This topic (and the forum) are gaining media attention. Please see this article for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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- Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.
- Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting.
- There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.
Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
That signature matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
- Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.
- Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin.
- Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by JGLondon
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This cover was found in the internet right? Are we sure it's not photoshopped? There is a very strong reflection across the cover that isn't matched on the signature. (The sticker and her blouse are jet black without the light. But the ink is unaffected ). And I understand what you're saying about the pen jiggle, but the bleed on this sample looks a lot like what we see on the tipped paper.
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And we are supposed to believe this lovely woman in this state beautifully and perfectly signed our books ?!
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWH1wi5EsSY/?igsh=MWJjZGR2ODBtaG12bQ==
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Permalink Reply by Matt M.
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I’ve spent a good part of today reviewing examples and handling a few other things. I keep finding myself thinking about the bigger picture. This is speculative, and I may be connecting dots that aren’t there, but I’m expanding on a point first raised by Jason H. back on Friday.Right when we were becoming aware on Friday afternoon that Radar had published their article, it was also shared here that Liza’s NYC event scheduled for March 23rd had been canceled.
Radar’s story went live at 12:45 PM EST. At 3:15 PM EST, ticket holders for the New York event received emails notifying them of the cancellation, with full refunds to be issued.
Maybe what happened at the March 17 Los Angeles event was a turning point, in which concerns about her condition became visible just as scrutiny around the “signed” books was beginning to build online.
From that perspective, the NYC cancellation wouldn’t simply be about health, but part of a broader effort to contain two converging risks: further public appearances that might raise alarm, and the continued distribution of books that could invite closer examination.
If this is the case, the cancellation could be seen in a different light: Could it have also been an effort to avoid the further distribution of “signed” books now that the issue was gaining national media attention?
The New York City event included in-person tickets, where all attendees were to receive a signed book. There was also a virtual option that included a signed copy mailed to participants. Based on the New York event alone, there were potentially thousands of additional orders that may have been filled with questionable signatures.
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Here are my first set of autopen examples. I've tried to isolate the elements as requested, but my best attempts at free-form cropping aren't the best.
Three move emails to go.
Hope this helps. Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin
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THANK YOU JOHN! PERFECT!
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Autopen 2 examples.
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John Gladden Autopen2 Liza.png, 1.9 MB -
John Gladden Autopen2 Smiley.png, 643 KB
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Autopen 2 continued.
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Autopen 3.
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John Gladden Autopen3 Liza.png, 2.4 MB
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John Gladden Autopen3 Smiley.png, 1 MB
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John Gladden Autopen3 Love.png, 1.8 MB
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Autopen 4.
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John Gladden Autopen4 - Liza.png, 2.4 MB
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John Gladden Autopen4 - Smiley.png, 885 KB
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John Gladden Autopen4 - Love.png, 1.7 MB
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Excellent, nicely done John!I’ve added each of your segments to my collection, and I’m sure Steve is monitoring the thread if you haven’t sent them directly to him.
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I’ll try to get back to these tomorrow, But thank you again John.
For now, one of the L’s looks like it may be a cousin to that odd L in the Ballroom example…also, both of the E’s appear off in a way that doesn’t show up a lot.They’re not exact, but just an observation:
Yours
Ballroom:
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Thanks for taking the time to look at them!
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