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Liza Minnelli Autopen - Kids, Wait Till You Hear This!
****This topic (and the forum) have gained media attention. Please see these articles for more information:
https://radaronline.com/p/liza-minelli-autopen-signature-memoir-sca...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2026/may/12/liza-minnelli-memoir-...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/liza-minnelli-fans-demand-refunds-ove...
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/Liza-Minnellis-Signed-Memoir-...
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****ATTENTION: Steve Cyrkin, who manages this website, has asked for photos of your Liza signature.
You will need to take high-resolution images (3,000-4,000 pixels wide) of Liza's first name, last name, and smiley face SEPARATELY, as close up as can be, and saved as PNGs or the native file format (NOT JPEG).
Please take individual pictures that isolate each segment as best as possible.
Send to: editor@autographmagazine.com.
****Photos must be submitted per these guidelines****
Separately, feel free to also post your photos on the forum below for others to see.
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- Collectors have identified repeatable signature patterns across multiple copies of Liza Minnelli’s signed memoir.
- Overlay analysis reveals identical geometry and spacing in specific segments, an outcome not consistent with natural handwriting.
- There’s a growing view on this forum that this reflects a repeatable mechanical process, potentially involving advanced autopen use built from older verified signatures.
Recent news coverage also raises questions about whether Liza would have been able to sign books in the consistently pristine manner seen here.
There has also been widespread speculation among Liza’s fans on social media that the audiobook may involve AI-assisted voice technology, with some questioning whether the audiobook voice is a true recording or an AI-generated version of her voice.
UPDATE 4/1/26: JSA has classified the book signatures as "inconclusive," meaning they are unable to definitively confirm or deny the authenticity of the signature.
⚠️ Still frame from a video showing the overlay process between two signatures
Check out these videos showing the overlay testing process used to compare the signatures.
Note how “Liza” matches up
-First round, note how the “Love” appears to overlay nearly exactly
-Second round, the circle of the smiley face appears to overlap closely, and the L is starting to line up as well
-Third round, the Z and the A in “Liza” appear to lineup closely.
Notice how almost all of the smiley face lines up on this one
-With a slight adjustment, notice how the Z and the A start to align as well
Watch the top of the smiley face. All I am doing is bringing the circle of the smiley face into line. Watch how the Z falls into place. Watch how the top loop of the L falls into place. The “A” is a little off and also the “I” but you can see how they seem to be off by a very small and consistent distance.
Watch how the “OVE” lines up exactly on two examples received by the same person
Notice where “Love” is lining up on these and how much of Liza lines up with a slight shift
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
Notice how much of the entire signature overlaps.
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Some of the segments are individually lining up….yet the two signatures appear different on face and when overlaid as a whole.
Here is a visual walk-through of identifying matching segments in overlay. This reflects how the issue was initially discovered.
Example:
First, notice how the L lines up in “Love”:
Make a slight adjustment that then brings the “ove” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the L of “Liza” into line:
Slightly adjust again to bring the Z and A into alignment (also notice the “I” and the comma):
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One thing that’s also interesting: If you take the dust jacket off the book, Liza’s autograph is imprinted on the front hard cover underneath (appears to be only on US editions):
The signature from the book cover above matches a verified example that appears to date from at least the early 1990s:
What’s concerning is that some of the signature patterns inside the “signed” books seem very close to that same 90s example, which makes it look possible that the earlier verified signature may have been used as a template for the autopen signatures in the book:
(Book cover signature overlaid with a signature from inside book)
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***FURTHER OBSERVATIONS***
- Multiple members of this forum have observed indications that a modern, high-volume autopen system may be involved. One example is the UUNA TEK iAuto Premium, which demonstrates the level of precision and consistency seen with the Liza signatures. According to Steve Cyrkin, the founder of Autograph Live, the results appear consistent with this type of technology. A higher-volume model such as the Ultimate could also be capable, as the underlying signing mechanism appears similar, according to Steve.
- Additionally, members on the forum have observed evidence suggesting the use of multiple marker types: some signatures appear consistent with a standard medium-point Sharpie-style marker, while others show characteristics of a chisel-point tip. Variations in stroke width within a single line (such as tapered sections in circular elements like the face) support this, as pointed out by Steve Cyrkin.
- Demonstration videos of the UUNA TEK iAuto show that not only the pen moves, but the paper itself shifts in short, controlled motions during signing. As has been noted by members of the forum, this could help explain the consistent geometry and repeatable structure observed across multiple signatures.
Please see this video to learn more on how this technology works:
A thread has also been created to make others aware of this type of autopen usage and discuss if interested:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/beware-of-the-new-a...
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You may also visit the original Liza Minnelli thread, established when the book was announced, to read about the initial development of this issue:
https://live.autographmagazine.com/forum/topics/liza-minelli-kids-w...
Tags: Autopen, Hear, Kids, Liza, Minnelli, This!, Till, Wait, You
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Greg Scott on
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I received a shipping notification on 3/3 and received the book on 3/10, so it was before the autopen discussion was in full swing.
Thanks to Matt and others for your work on this!
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Matt - Here is mine from PC that arrived on the 10th. I think I was the first bookplate before anyone else posted across the internet/ebay.. at least for a few days.
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Permalink Reply by Matt M. on
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Still working on Premiere but may pick back up tomorrow.
For now, I’ll just repost this one (These are two that I’ve used and shown before).
These are two different autographs shown in overlay:
Slight adjustment in orientation to get this (still using same autographs):
Any points that may not line up exactly are not as concerning as how much of it does overlay.
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If it's useful, here's mine from an independent retainer in the UK. I also have a couple more coming that I bought for gifts, which I'm kinda annoyed about if they are not genuine!
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Hachette are giving UK bookshops assurances that the books are genuinely signed.
I'm still raising an eyebrow...
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Nope, I have asked but nothing appears to be forthcoming at this point. I imagine if one of the major media outlets were to pick this up they'd have something to say.
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Example in this Facebook post of something she signed two years ago, looking nothing like the book signatures:
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Thanks Chris and Marcus, that’s good to know. Please keep us posted on this. Chris, I appreciate your example and have saved it for comparison.
I’m working today and will probably get back to comparisons later. I may need a little break lol. I’ll still be tracking the thread and saving examples though. Thank you to everyone who has participated in helping figure this out. We’ll hopefully we get to the bottom of it.
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Permalink Reply by Mikhell on
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Here are my two examples and an overlay of the two. I'm going to be very disappointed if this turns out to be autopen but I must say I was suspicious when I received them this morning ,from two different sources in the UK.
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Thanks Michell, and I appreciate you doing that overlay. I’m very familiar with this type of result as it has happened many times in my comparisons. It’s like things were just shifted slightly and some parts appear to be off by just a hair. Sometimes when you make that shift, multiple parts line up. And granted, sometimes not.
IMO you have a Z and A that are part of some sort of template. Yes, it’s a simple Z and a small simple a. There’s going to be some similarities when you write those letters over and over. But I don’t see how they overlap exactly with the exact same spacing as I have shown in some of my examples.
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