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Permalink Reply by wascher on September 20, 2017 at 7:41am

This item is again up for sale here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/No-Reserve-MICHAEL-JACKSON-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH...

Last week when this was listed, I immediately asked Mike Frost if he had authenticated it.  The seller had taken a picture of what looked to be an altered email from PAAS stating it was genuine.  Mike said absolutely not and he sent me the email showing he had told them it was not legit.

From: specialagent711@aol.com
To: dustin9pan94@*****.com
Sent: 9/13/2017 8:39:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: Re: Online exam

 

Michael Jackson Autograph/Via Scan:

-----------------------------------------------------------:

Not Likely Genuine.

We are sorry but via examination of the scan, this Michael Jackson Autograph would not receive a Letter of Authenticity from P.A.A.S.

Thank you for your trust in PAAS

www.paasaa.com

I then posted the item here and copied their own description - and within minutes of my post, the seller deleted the PAAS photo and immediately took that part of the description out. Then they cancelled the sale:  "This listing was ended by the seller because there was an error in the listing".

Yep.

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Permalink Reply by wascher on September 22, 2017 at 3:19pm

Round #3

Relisted--error on the 2nd one too, and now the description took out that Michael is holding THAT album in the listing. 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/No-Reserve-MICHAEL-JACKSON-SIGNED-AUTOGRAPH...

First one .99 cent with a 40.00 fee for shipping.  Second one 399.00 Free shipping.  Third one 99.00 Free shipping.

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on October 30, 2017 at 2:36pm

 More 'Ericks' from the J Brat collection:

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on October 30, 2017 at 2:38pm

 ...and yet more 'Ericks' from the J Brat collection:

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 1, 2017 at 12:44pm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/142517638058  sold by eBay member marc-at2014

Erick McKay t-shirt.  Sold for 590.00

“New, never worn.Size medium.Selling this amazing and legit white t shirt with Michael Jackson's autograph, his own handwriting, his own doodle, very rare, with his own letter of authenticity.”

With an accompanying COA also an Erick piece

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 7, 2017 at 8:20am

 Having just gone back through the 'Historic MJ drawings' thread, I re-found this on p65 , which is a copy of an 'Erick'........  A fakers double-fail!

(Erick above, copy below)

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 17, 2017 at 12:43pm

 'MJ - signed ' osteoporosis society card on ebay.  Has been seen before, so possibly being re-sold / sold on. ($599.99 start, seller tk_trading_la,  Valley Village, Calif.)

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Autographed-Michael-Jackson-Osteoporosis-S...

Autographed Michael Jackson
Osteoporosis Foundation
Signed Greeting Card Postcard 4x6.5in
W/ COA 100% AUTHENTIC

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 18, 2017 at 12:25pm

 Another early example from June 2012, sold for $576:

https://www.julienslive.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/72/lot/28847/M...

A Michael Jackson signed American Greetings Halloween card. The front of the card reads "Little Monster" and is signed "Michael Jackson" in black ink under the pre-printed message.

8 1/4 by 5 1/4 inches

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 21, 2017 at 12:33pm

 Another item from marc-at2014, of Wien Austria.  This is offered on ebay.de (Germany) at 499 Euros start.  Again it has a letter of Authenticity, rather like the tee shirt with 'eye' design above.

Interesting date on this letter: 'August 5th of August 1995'.  OOOoopsy!

Also, in June 1995 (tee shirt letter) MJ is writing from Neverland, but in this letter (Aug 95) from Hayvenhurst.  Did he suddenly move back in with Mom?

Michael Jackson self portrait with autograph, with M.J.J. productions COA

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Michael-Jackson-self-portrait-with-autograp...

You are looking at a rare piece of music history.

A real 100% drawing done and signed by Michael Jackson.

This is again real, not a copy, nor a reprint.

This drawing comes with a certificate of authenticity from MJJ productions

and has been signed by Michael Jackson too.

The buyer wants to get 2 autographs, one from the drawing, one from the COA.

Please any questions you should have, ask me.    Thanks

From Austria I want to ship with insurance and tracking number.

Shipping wants to be around $ 37.00

Within Europe shipping will be around $ 22.00

No exceptions on shipping without tracking or insurance.

Thanks a lot.     Please be free to ask any questions.

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 21, 2017 at 12:52pm

MJ was certainly busy, hosting all these guests, drawing all these tees and portraits, and in early June 95 recording in New York, then travelling to see Shaquille ONeill in Florida.  In early August 95 he travelled to Paris for a week with Lisa Marie.  

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Permalink Reply by wascher on November 21, 2017 at 1:27pm

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Michael-Jackson-thriller-drawing-autograph...

Thriller drawing as well. 

A real 100% drawing of THRILLER, done and signed by Michael Jackson.
This is again real, not a copy, nor a reprint.
This drawing comes with a certificate of authenticity from MJJ productions
and has been signed by Michael Jackson too.
The buyer wants to get 2 autographs, one from the drawing, one from the COA.
Please any questions you should have, ask me.
Thanks

From Austria I want to ship with insurance and tracking number.
Shipping wants to be around $ 37.00
Within Europe shipping will be around $ 22.00
No exceptions on shipping without tracking or insurance.
Thanks a lot.
Please be free to ask any questions.

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Permalink Reply by Lizzie on November 21, 2017 at 1:49pm

 With regard to the 'Young Michael drawing, this compares very closely with a piece of artwork by an artist calling himself 'Uncutt'. He is based in New York and goes by the twitter handle 'Uncasso'.  I have compared his drawing / young michael design with the 'Young Michael' in the item being sold by marc-at2014 above.  I believe that the drawing being sold as 'signed by Michael Jackson' is i reality a copy of the 'Young Michael' design by Uncutt.  Which is important, because I believe that Uncutt was not producing this particular design before November 2012, and possibly much later.

Here is the link to the indiegogo fundraiser for Uncutt:

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/my-1st-solo-artshow#/

Here are the main points of similarity between the 'Young MJ drawing' being sold by marc-at2014 and the Young MJ design by Uncutt.  Also compare these points to the actual photograph, and consider how much of a coincidence for 'Michael' to have made the same design / drawing decisions as Uncutt, from the same photograph:  (Points of similarity with Uncutt have been outlined in green).

'M' shaped shade at side of ear

shoulder strap

shading above the eye

collar shape

Location of a dimple on the chin

The curve of the forehead

Shading in the angle of the neck

Upper lip shading. 

I  have posted photos of both the comparison, and of Uncutts Twitter page header, indicating his start date on Twitter. In fact he also has an Indiegogo fundraising page which is undated but indicates that artwork was due to be prepared in 2014 for his first exhibition.

The original photo is also below for comparison, as it has not been included properly in the comparison above:

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