Michael Jackson opinions please

Hi all,

Please let me hear your opinions on this vintage Michael Jackson piece. Thank you in advance.

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Permalink Reply by James on December 10, 2019 at 2:19pm

This is very likely genuine, imo.

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Permalink Reply by just some dude on December 10, 2019 at 2:22pm

Thank you James, I think its a beaut!

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 10, 2019 at 5:56pm

It looks good in a lot of ways, but it’s missing the natural flow, spontaneity and pressure differences I expect to see.

I don’t think it’s real.

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Permalink Reply by just some dude on December 10, 2019 at 6:07pm

I disagree, Steve. Thanks for your opinion.

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Permalink Reply by just some dude on December 10, 2019 at 6:30pm

Paging Wascher and Big Saturn...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 10, 2019 at 6:40pm

I could be the Lone Ranger here.

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Permalink Reply by Paul on December 10, 2019 at 6:44pm

Tally ho

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Permalink Reply by just some dude on December 10, 2019 at 6:46pm

This wouldnt mark the first time we’ve disagreed on MJ, Steve.

MJ is the primary graph I study and I would bet the house this is vintage authentic.

To touch on just one of your points - there are most def. pressure differences throughout the sig. I truly question your assessment on that point alone - no offense. As for flow and spontaneity, those are awfully vague terms.

I see a rather unrushed, beautifully natural MJ sig here.

C’mon MJ guys, where ya at?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 10, 2019 at 8:10pm

Dude,

Here are a few easier to define things I see:

The start of the C of Michael is either notched or sharply transitions from the I, with rare exception. This C starts with a casual loop.
The straight side of the H's loop is on the right on yours. It's normally to on the left, unless it's equal on both sides, which is uncommon.
The J's descender loop normally goes either fairly straight down and then smoothly loops to the left; or smoothly loops throughout. Yours starts and ends smoothly looped, but has a straight section after the upstroke.
The I on yours looks somewhat slowly and unnaturally formed; more drawn than signed.

Here's a crop of the section I'm talking about:

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Permalink Reply by just some dude on December 10, 2019 at 8:47pm

Again, I respectfully disagree. No sig is perfect and if you are predisposed to doubt, you can really pick apart just about anything.

I hate to say it, but the last time we tangled on MJ, I completely disagreed with you then as well (and still do). That particular sig was about as “dead” as any forgery Ive seen and yet you thought that one was real. And now you say this one is unnatural?

Steve, I think you have a great site, but personally, I dont think you have a great handle on MJ. Sorry!

I trust my eyes here.