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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 25, 2011 at 6:16pm

Wonderful, Anne...thank you! Whenever you do I'll approve them and feature the album.

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Permalink Reply by Anne Marie LaProvidenza on June 25, 2011 at 6:19pm

Thanks, you'll have to let me know how to do it.

I'm still a beginner with doing stuff like that.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 25, 2011 at 6:48pm

We definitely need instructions on this site, sorry! 

Just go here to upload photos:

http://live.autographmagazine.com/photo/photo/newWithUploader

Then once you upload them, it will ask you if you want to add them to an existing album or create a new one. Choose create a new one.

Or you can just follow this link to create an album once you upload them, and drag your pics into the album. I have to approve photos before they can be seen by everyone, to prevent porn, etc., from being uploaded.

http://live.autographmagazine.com/photo/album/new

Permalink Reply by Marc on June 26, 2011 at 12:26am

Thanks Steve, Anne Marie and James anyway for taking a look. May I ask what appart from the location of the autograph as you mentioned James to look out for on MJ autographs? What is it about my autograph that doesnt look real? What confidence would you put on the fact its not real is it 100% or is their a small chance it could be real? Appriciate your comments? Marc

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on June 26, 2011 at 12:43am

Marc,

I have my doubts on it, but that's not the same as having an expert look at it. James is quite good, BTW. More opinions will come in over the next couple of days, and I'll upload the other examples I said I would.

I'm sorry how opinions are running on this so far, but hang in there.

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Permalink Reply by Marc on June 26, 2011 at 12:50am

That would be good thanks Steve. no problem will do!

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Permalink Reply by James R. Altmann on June 26, 2011 at 4:29am

Hi Marc: The only reason I would not want to say it is definitely NOT authentic is because I have seen some weird things out of real Michael signatures that have surprised me over the years. Though there are tell-tell signs indicating it is bad, there are two features that are pretty close to being spot on as well (the little "L" loop around, as well as the formation and placement of the large "J"). Though it is true that the majority of Thriller albums were signed on the white suit in the bottom right hand quarter corner, it must be noted that Michael was a master at autograph placement, if he had a silver pen in his hand it would not have been unthinkable that he would have hit the darker spot of the album rather than going for the suit, which would have contrasted with the silver pen. He was an artist after all, and did understand aesthetics. I believe you may be in the vortex that collectors often find themselves in where something is not blatant and obviously real, and is not blatant and obviously bad. When I look at it, the things that are uncommon, and when I say uncommon, I mean it by definition - not that he NEVER did any of these things at some point or another while signing (these are all negative points) - the M on this one starts on an downstroke, the "I' starts on a down stroke, the last "letter" of the first name is not slightly separated from the first few letters of his name, which he commonly did. When he used this style of J in his signature it usually flowed into the remainder of the signature and did not stop and start like yours, the J itself is at a weird angle in contrast to the rest of the signature, the "a" starts on an upstroke and makes a small line horizontally and does not dip into other humps, and finally the last part of the signature does not dip down before he finishes of his last big swoop in "N". I feel if you were to get a thumbs up (or down) from any authenticator it would be just as much of a coin toss for them as it would be from any of us that are very familiar with MJ signature styles.

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Permalink Reply by Anne Marie LaProvidenza on June 26, 2011 at 7:57am

Hi ,what do you think of these MJ autographs being up for auction now ?

  I can't tell myself .

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Permalink Reply by James R. Altmann on July 7, 2011 at 10:20pm

both are getting a thumbs down "Quick Opinion" from me

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Permalink Reply by Anne Marie LaProvidenza on July 8, 2011 at 11:39am

Thanks James, I agree with you.  

Here's a fedora with the same signature from the same seller.

 

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Permalink Reply by James R. Altmann on July 9, 2011 at 12:11am

This is nothing that I can decisively confirm or have written evidence of of course - only hearsay that came from a fellow collector that was tight with MJ's inner circle, but a lot of these fedoras and other items were signed by an assistant or secretary on Michael's behalf. A non-malicious attempt to appease the many charities that requested items from him by the hundreds a week throughout the last 20 years or so of his life. No doubt about it, some of them are good and no doubt about it, some of them are bad, but as to whom is/was actually signing the fedoras - forgers/secretary/assistants - whichever, I have seen a lot that I would not let through the gates if they were given to me with a shiny bow on top.

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Permalink Reply by Marc on June 26, 2011 at 8:32am

Thank you for the detailed review James its been a real eye opener for me! I kind of found a little hope in the fact some things were good but as you pointed out Im kind of inbetween with the bad points! Would you maybe suggest getting it authenticated and if so which company is normally the best to go with as heard there are alot of bogus/untrusted firms out there? What would you estimate a company would charge?

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