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Permalink Reply by Mike T on April 12, 2015 at 9:42pm

Honestly i think you would be hard pressed to find an authentic autograph he certified prior to 2012. His company was a joke and banned from eBay. He used to flame people on here with caps lock and childish grammar and now since he comes back on this forum and tries to save face some people like him.. I don't get it but if you trust him and want to give him your money that's your prerogative. He's done enough damage for my lifetime of collecting.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on April 13, 2015 at 1:27am

Sorry but I don't spend money on TPAs. Just not a fan of them. I've just seen some of his opinions here. He knows signatures. I don't study his COAs or dates of them but I've seen authentic signatures with his COA. To say I haven't wouldn't be truthful.

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Permalink Reply by Mike T on April 13, 2015 at 8:05am

Oh yeah for sure, not doubting that.. I've seen authentic autographs with morales certs too.

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Permalink Reply by Michael Frost on April 13, 2015 at 2:52pm

Thank you Rick,

I sorry I have learned not to waste my time with all negative nonsense.  

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Permalink Reply by Joe W. on April 12, 2015 at 8:19pm

I think most of the TPA do an overall decent job. Money does play a role or nobody would want to stick their neck out on such a speculative venture. All this talk is interesting but does it really lead to any kind of solution or just continue to circle the same mountain over and over again? If you going to be an authenticator for hire you better have a thick skin. And not be simply in love with the all mighty dollar. It's about the autograph not who is paying.

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on April 12, 2015 at 10:19pm

Here's an item that comes with PAAS and Khalilah Ali (belinda) coa
It's a forgery. In fact it's a operation bullpen Olson forgery - the most common and well known Ali forgery style in existence. Yet these two certified it as authentic...


https://celebritysportsauctions.com/product/muhammad-ali-signed-box...

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 13, 2015 at 11:49am

Carlos,

I'm not saying you're wrong--I dont know--but how can you tell that's a forgery, let alone Operation Bullpen? Tha autograph is so small and fuzzy I can't see how anyone can render an opinion based on it, one way or another. And there were no larger images in the listing.

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on April 13, 2015 at 11:54am

Steve
The Olson style is so well known by Ali collectors that it sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm sure there are autos you know very well that you can tell straight away by the style if it is a forgery
No Ali collector in the world would say this is authentic

Take a screenshot and Zoom in. You'll see the characteristics in every single part if the auto - most notably the "Ali" and "clay" sections

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on April 13, 2015 at 11:57am

Here's this one next to other Olson forgeries. While it is blurry since I'm on my phone you'll see the shape is on point. Ali never signed like this

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 13, 2015 at 12:19pm

Well at least one Ali collector in the world thought it was authentic. Someone bought it.

Carlos, I see the similarities in the comparison autographs you posted, but I think it's wreckless to out and out call something a forgery based on such a small image...even though you're 100% sure. Why don't you write PAAS and ask them for a larger image of the autograph? In fact, ask Mike Frost to join in the conversation and post it. That would make for an interesting, and valuable, discussion.

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on April 13, 2015 at 12:21pm

Sorry I should rephrase it to "knowledgable Ali collector"

Sorry I do nt think it's reckless as I'm 100% positive it's a forgery although I do know what you're saying. But there are just somet things you know straight away.

Iwill start a new thread with that as the discussion point.

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Permalink Reply by Carlos on April 13, 2015 at 12:28pm

Just added a new discussion. Also have a larger picture with visible auto

(Steve could you by chance imbed it into the new discussion as I can't so that from my phone)

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