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Hi has anyone heard of Pristine Auctions? I ask because I won an item at an auction recently which came with a JSA coa. There was also an additional unexpected page enclosed explaining that the autograph in question had been examined by JSA on behalf of Pristine auctions. Do Pristine auctions do this automatically for all of their autographed items and are autographed items sent to JSA on behalf of Prisitne auctions guarenteed to pass? Do they have the same kind of relationship as R and R now has with Beckett?
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Permalink Reply by Pristine Auction (Jared Kavlie) on
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Michele,
Yes, please feel free to post images of the item here.
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Permalink Reply by michelle on
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ok so here are I hope 3 items . One the actual autograph, the second what looks like a genuine JSA coa altho I have never seen one before and the third item is a photocpy of a letter from Pristine explaining that it was examinied on behalf of Prisitne Auctions by JSA and passed the JSA test, whatever that is!!
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and here are the 2 coas without a bit cropped off which was my mistake.
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This lot was sold through our auction with the JSA Auction House LOA. Here is a link to the original auction: https://www.pristineauction.com/a199017
It looks like after the sale, the item was upgraded to a full LOA. 100% authentic. Please let me know if there are any other questions or concerns.
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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on
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Jared,
I think you've improved a lot the last couple of years, but I'm in 100% agreement with Rick Meyer about the way Pristine was before. I don't think he said anything that wasn't true.
I absolutely appreciate the improvements in authenticity you've made. Please keep improving! But due to the past, it could take a lot to change the opinions of many long-time members here.
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I am assuming my autograph is legitimate. However, there are a number of points I am not too clear on . If I understand correctly Prisitne has an inhouse JSA guy/girl on site. If so , who pays the salary of the JSA person? Does the JSA person reject stuff that Prisitne has already sold at auction? If so, is the buyer informed and do they get their money back for the purchase?
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The autograph is 100% authentic. Those participating in this thread have no interest in saying anything positive. If the autograph was at all questionable they would certainly chime in.
Items submitted to us on consignment that don’t have approved authentication are reviewed by JSA in person at our office. We pay JSA for their service. The item is either approved and goes to auction or is rejected and is returned to the person who submitted it for auction. Everything in our auction included authentication from a trusted source (or multiple). We guarantee authenticity.
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Permalink Reply by goodcat on
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we try to deal in facts whether they be positive or negative
That's the foundation of this forum and I respect it
your opinions are welcomed just like anyone elses
In the end it's about who presents the strongest case no matter what the subject
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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on
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Right Jared. Just like when you used ACE, GAI, GA. You didn't use them cause they were good. You used hem cause they would pass anything you sent them. There is an email posted by a former customer that you sent denying a refund because the item was authenticated by ACE and PSA rejected it. You like a stoog stood by ACE and claimed they were experts. This was in 2014 and ACE was even on EBAYs banned list and had been for a few years. Guess you didn't get the memo.
You're no victim. You did all this to yourself. I remember you all issuing your own COA's. That didn't work out to well either.
To claim that any autograph is unquestionably 100% authentic based on JSA opinion just shows your ignorance in the hobby. Nobody is 100% on every autograph when giving an opinion. There is always a margin of error. You are just ridiculous at the levels you will go to try and dupe or confuse a collector.
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We learned and grew as a company. It has never been my intention to use questionable authenticators. I love this hobby which is why I started this auction house. It was a learning curve when I transitioned from a pure collector to a dealer. I had a lot to learn. There is a reason why we don’t work with or accept items from those authenticators... haven’t for years.
Again, not interested in a debate with you Rick as it is pointless...
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Great questions Michelle. I'll answer for you.
First I'm not an expert in Springsteen. I do know JSA is horrible with the music signatures I know. They get common music signatures wrong all the time. Roger Waters for example and they see him far more often then they do Springsteen. I would post it separately and get opinions on the signature itself. There are some good Springsteen folks on this site.
JSA is the authenticator of choice for Pristine. Really they are working for Pristine but getting paid by you. They fly in and offer these auction letters. Which are nothing more then quick opinions. Probably for just the cost of travel. Maybe a small nominal fee. Wouldn't be much. This would be so they can put the advertising on the bottom of the letters instructing the buyer if they want full authentication they can pay for a full letter. If you wanted to resale it with authentication you would most likely have to do this.
Then Pristine Auctions gets to advertise these as JSA authenticated so they can realize the higher sell price a third party authentication piece will bring. Do they state in the auction that if you wanted full authentication you would have to get it yourself and pay for it? JSA gets a free trip to AZ and first crack at issuing full letters based on the instructions at the bottom of the auction letter. The buyer of the item if they want full authentication gets stuck with the bill. In reality the piece they bought was never really authenticated other then a quick glance over.
The Spencer's sign the letters but who knows who the actual authenticator that came out was. It's probably very rare that they would decline it on full LOA request because that would be admitting they made a mistake after the sell. If that occurred they would open up Pristine to refund money that they have probably already divided up and sent the portion back to the consigner. If it happened a lot Pristine would find a new authentication company and JSA would lose even more market share than they currently are to PSA and BAS.
The part everyone needs to know and what you won't hear from them is that JSA and Pristine are working together to make money. Sure along the way they probably try to do the right thing but never for one second is any of this to protect you as the buyer or collector. Benefits of the doubt will sway in Pristine's favor.
I would get free opinions on your signature here on AML. If others think it's good it probably is. If others question it I would have another authenticator look at it for you. This time that authenticator works for you.
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Once again, to set the record straight , all items in our auction that are issued a JSA Auction LOA went through a FULL JSA review. Note that Rick continues to intentionally post false information in that regard even after being offered first hand knowledge...
We guarantee authenticity on this item as well as any other item in our auction. No authenticator is perfect but JSA is very knowledgeable, trusted and accurate. We don’t use them as our in house authenticator because they do us any favors as Rick is falsely implying.
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