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Permalink Reply by Steve Viola on November 5, 2015 at 6:41am

How was the above obtained?  All your questions are what we are trying to figure out for almost 2 years now. Nothing is conclusive either way for many of us.

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Permalink Reply by Jake Wooten on November 5, 2015 at 7:25am

provenance can be telling, yet it can muddy the waters if it is fabricated. so many base their belief on the quickly fasioned venue obtained signatures with the quickly drawn single loop L in Lewis. they feel this must be the omly style acceptable? then there is a Billy Bob type signed in may of '91 with a squiggle that is much like the third image in the Johannes grouping. does this make Joahannes' item legit? does this then make the first in the Johannes series also legit. even though many would question that one?

Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on November 3, 2015 at 7:39pm

Hmmm , I think we are being visited by a brother from another "planet" again.

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Permalink Reply by roger epperson on November 5, 2015 at 8:13am

His writing has also become much clearer and lacking the "accent" he started using in his first few posts.  He (or she) also tends to write many posts in a row and uses exemplars in cement like someone who was banned a long time ago from here.  Any guesses? 

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Permalink Reply by Mark Roberts on November 5, 2015 at 8:16am

I agree - sounds like someone from another "planet".

 

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Permalink Reply by terrier8HOF on November 5, 2015 at 9:22am

yes I also noticed the changing "accent" and writing style.  

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 5, 2015 at 9:10am

I suspended Jake Wooten because he registered with an anonymous email address from Latvia (.lv), from a domain name there is no record of being used by anyone but him and registered through the nameserver "ns.afraid.com."

Forgers, their supporters and others who would do anything for Autograph Live to go away constantly try to discredit it and its members. This is obviously another attempt. I'm going to leave his content, but I recommend viewing it accordingly.

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Permalink Reply by Chad B on November 5, 2015 at 9:58am

What did Grant do to get booted from this site? I would guess it has to do with his style of argumentation but I don't remember exactly.

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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on November 5, 2015 at 10:28am

Its a shame because the guy has talent. I enjoy reading some of his stuff but for some reason he's twisted. He thinks he can come on here and be the Riddler. His shtick gets old.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on November 5, 2015 at 10:40am

In a nutshell (no pun intended), he was harassing members of the site and being disruptive.

I didn't say Grant Van de Streek was Jake Wooten, the member suspended, but I wouldn't be surprised. He has signed up many times under many names.

Once I got an email from him to show me or make me believe he had hacked into Autograph Live. I spent two days and over a thousand dollars having it checked out--and our service provider, Ning, spent a ton of time, too.

You have to wonder why destroying this site and its credibility is so important to some.

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Permalink Reply by Sidney Fields on November 5, 2015 at 10:07am

Interesting...although you have to credit a guy willing to go through Lativia in the pursuit of his endeavor.

On the issue of the signatures, there seems to be an important point here that largely is being overlooked.

Obviously, given the nature of this site, people are most focused and most concerned about the signatures themselves. That's where the bulk of the analysis is and should be.  That anlysis has cast substantial doubt on the legitimacy of the signatures in the pre-signed books.

But under the circumstances of this "case" it would seem that other evidence is VERY telling. That is, the way people in a position to verify the signatures have failed to do so in any verifiable fashion when given the opportunity to do so by the news media.

The author and the retailer (Barnes & Noble) admit they don't know. 

Publisher Harper Collins (who the retailer says handled the signings) makes assertions of legitimacy and claims JLL's manager witnessed the signings.

The manager denies witnessing, claims the pages to be signed were forwarded to JLL's ranch where James Whitten witnessed and then refuses to return any subsequent communication attempts.  

The publisher offers James Whitten for an interview, then promptly renegs and fails to offer any explanation.

All circumstantial evidence. But all pointing to a conclusion that something is amiss. That's just not the way people with nothing to hide would behave. In combination with the questions raised about the signatures themselves, it seems the most reasonable conclusion is that the book signatures are not authentic.

 

 

 

 

 

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on November 5, 2015 at 10:56am

Why didn’t you mention the statement that JLL made during an interview with the Memphis Business Journal:

“My hand is already getting tired from signing all these books…”

Does it not seem odd that he would make this statement prior to any accusations that Whitten signed on his behalf?

Judith stated the following:

"Jerry Lee signed 750 books. I never sign his name and neither does JW."

JW Whitten stated the following:

“I do not sign for Jerry Lee Lewis. It's all rubbish.”

How could a proxy signer incorporate so many authentic traits across multiple signatures with such a lack of hesitation in the signatures? Why does the JSA authenticated 45 signature so closely resemble one of the alleged Whitten secretarials? Why did PSA authenticate one of the book signatures with the knowledge that it was part of a limited edition? Wouldn’t they have taken into consideration all of the book signatures that were available at the time before authenticating one of them?

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