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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 12, 2014 at 11:07am

EXACTLY Rich, We see it all the time. Take a look at the items PRESS PASS COLLECTIBLES offer for sale on a daily basis, most of the signatures are scribble and if you or I brought them in to be authenticated we'd be laughed at.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on February 12, 2014 at 1:51pm

Probably pays to be friends with authenticators. If I sent in half their stuff it would be rejected.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 12, 2014 at 1:55pm

Yeah Rick, they'll laugh in our face

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Permalink Reply by BallroomDays67 on February 12, 2014 at 2:07pm

There's a good chance that this ball was once offered by Press Pass, as it was sold at auction by Iconic Memorabilia.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 12, 2014 at 2:19pm

That would make sense. I wonder if anyone would have that info or could find it. Press Pass could get anything certed.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on February 12, 2014 at 2:34pm

Somebody liked it enough to spend $2600 on it.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 12, 2014 at 3:25pm

Maybe because they saw the JSA cert, hmmmm. If it had a coa from Jack and Jills card shop it would've sold for $26.00.

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Permalink Reply by Randy on February 12, 2014 at 3:58pm

Can't disagree. That is a lot of power. The people buying from the large auction houses are not typical of the collectors on this forum.

Chances of this being authentic as stated by one member, 1 in a Billion with a B and someone paid $2600 for it.

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Permalink Reply by Rich on February 14, 2014 at 7:50am

I assume someone with a nice chunk of expendable income.

I hate to spend $20 on something that has even a couple question marks to it, let alone $2600 on a terrible looking, highly questionable item.  But that's just me. 

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 12, 2014 at 11:02am

No disrespect Steve but I don't agree with this statement "I think that if an authenticator thinks an autograph is genuine it's their duty to certify it as such. Let the marketplace decide what it's worth."

People that are not familiar with specific signature's are mainly buying them based on the fact that it comes with some sort of third party authentication and sadly not on the item itself. I think we've seen this many times before where someone either here or another forum has said "well it was authenticated by JSA, PSA/DNA, GAI etc I just assumed it was good". Most armature buyers that buy an occasional item for their collection don't usually compare signatures to others and buy based on the coa. Are you saying GAI/GA thinks that every signature they authenticate is "Genuine" and that's why its there duty to "authenticate" it?

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on February 12, 2014 at 11:47am

No disrespect taken, Jason.

What I am saying is that a legitimate authenticator should certify what they believe is genuine, based on their knowledge, experience and reliable exemplars. I also think that unless you know what you're buying, it pays to ask communities like this one, professionals that know the autograph well, or knowledgeable friends who collect.

I do not think that Global, either GA or GAI, is/was a legitimate authenticator.

I also don't think that an authenticator should authenticate ANYTHING based on the submittor alone. The autograph has to stand up in its own right.

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Permalink Reply by Jason D on February 12, 2014 at 12:15pm

I agree William. It's the same with the Jeter signatures with the JSA coa I pointed out a couple of weeks ago. The members with knowledge of Jeter agreed with me and the ones that don't think JSA makes mistakes said "We'll it has a JSA sticker I don't see anything wrong with it" or said nothing at all. Which brings me to the point I brought up to Steve earlier today, a lot of people buy items based on it being certed by a 3rd party company and not the item itself. Some people see the JSA or PSA/DNA sticker and say "Well it's JSA or PSA/DNA it must be real".

If it's bad it needs to be called out no matter who put a sticker on it.

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