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Authenticity is Everything
What really annoys me
What really REALLY p***** me off is when someone with a clear, obvious, not even close, even well known (operation bullpen) forgery tries to say they saw it signed and got it themselves!
Like why lie about that? Lol it's so annoying
Vent over...for now lol
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Permalink Reply by Mike Kaminski on
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Permalink Reply by James on
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Man, the stories some sellers make up is so ridiculous. Check out this seller on eBay of a supposedly authentic JFK signed photo. He says he got it from the estate of a gentleman who got JFK to sign it when JFK came to Scanton, PA in 1960. It's so laughable. That is one of the most common autopen JFK signatures there is. And it's nothing like his campaign-style signature. What a tall tale! Check this out:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/JOHN-F-KENNEDY-JFK-Original-Ink-Signed-AUTO...
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Permalink Reply by Mike White on
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Take another look at the first sentence of the original post.
I know you didn't say it explicitly, but you seem to be implying that the eBay seller is the one who made up the story, rather than them perhaps being the ones who got ripped off at an estate sale. As such, I'm curious about your proof.
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The "estate sale" story is so overused and cliche lol. Also How would the estate seller know the specific history of one them out of probably thousands?
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Easy--people embellish the story for the friends & family and when the person passes, said friends & family tell the auctioneer the story. You seriously doubt that someone out there with an AP autograph would claim to have met the signer to impress people?
Also "one item out of thousands"? 1) Who's to say there are thousands? 2) Who's to say that only one item came with a back story?
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Who's to say there weren't lol
Also it's the sellers responsibility to prove what they claim not the buyers.
And if the auto is a blatant forgery....
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"Who's to say there weren't" Um...that's not how the world works. You made the claim that there were, it falls to you to back it up.
You don't go to many estate sales, do you? Most of the people there (buying & selling) have no idea about anything's authenticity & just go off what they're told.
And what constitutes a blatant forgery to someone who doesn't know a thing about autographs?
The world doesn't work the way we want it to. Most of the general public have no idea what an AP is or how to identify it. And if they're told that it's authentic from someone they trust, they believe it.
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Lol mike I don't see why you are defending sellers of forgeries that seems weird to me
You should never buy an item due to just the story because if it's a forgery then the story is fake too. If you do purchase a fake with a fake story and are told so then you should obviously not continue selling it
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Permalink Reply by Ian Baldock on
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What annoys me is people that glom onto a word you say and try to hang you with it while they have nothing to offer themselves.
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Well, you're right, Mike, in that it is entirely possible that this seller is just recanting the story as it was told to him from the estate, if he did really get it from someone's estate sale. However, the title of the thread is "What really annoys me". And so it annoys me when sellers make up tall tales, and I believe that is what this seller is doing. I've studied JFK's signature quite a bit, and I do know that this is a very common JFK autopen signature. And you can find this particular autopen signature in Charles Hamilton's book, "The Robot that helped to make a President". Hamilton's book is considered one of the most authoritative sources for JFK signatures, autopen, secretarial, and authentic. This was not hand-signed by JFK.
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Like this guy - eBay seller marus-q8e58. Has a fake michael Jordan and kobe bryant ball....but he tells me he got it himself at MJs basketball camp last year. Lol ok
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=191562...
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