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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Waldschmidt on December 19, 2011 at 6:30pm

Thanks for the information.  Sounds like I need to get it looked at through PSA/DNA.

Thanks Jeremy

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 19, 2011 at 6:35pm

Before you spend a lot of money, post it here and ask for opinions and on www.net54baseball.com. PSA/DNA charges $250 for Babe Ruth and JSA is probably the same. What's the guarantee or return privilege on your piece?

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Permalink Reply by Jeremy Waldschmidt on December 19, 2011 at 6:45pm

I don't have a photo right now to post, but it is exactly same Milwaukee vs. Toledo scorecard as the one from earlier in the discussion.  I compared the two signatures and they are exactly alike.  This scorecard also has the fox trot song on the back.  I paid $350 for the piece, I would rather not lose any money. Thanks.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 19, 2011 at 6:51pm

A genuine version of what you're describing would be more than 10-times what you paid, probably a lot more. Obviously someone's buying scorecards and forging them.

Permalink Reply by LM on December 20, 2011 at 12:59pm

Jeremy, if you could post a pic of the Milwaukee vs. Toledo scorecard that you purchased with these autographs signed on it, that would be extremely valuable information for me to follow-up on.  Everyone of these cards that I have observed (with or without autographs) ALL have reference to a dance arranged for the Fox Trot. None of them that I have observed have the same reference to what appears to be the first line of the song or the "key" by which the arrangement is to be played.  A photo of your scorecard, though, would give me one more reference to compile additional reference.  I also have found out the area of the country from which this particular lot was consigned...Unfortunately, I wasn't able to discern the consignor's name or company, but I am going to keep digging...and trust me I'm like a Cairn Terrier trying to root out a varmint when it comes to stuff like this.....In fact, a varmint may be just what I FIND!!

Permalink Reply by EjsWurhl on December 19, 2011 at 6:49pm

net54baseball is by far the best source for free advice on baseball signatures.  You can bet that if I was in the market for a Ruth I would put it up for discussion there first.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 19, 2011 at 6:54pm

You said it, Eli. 

Permalink Reply by EjsWurhl on December 19, 2011 at 6:37pm

"In many cases, the secretary of the treasury printed on the bill was appointed after Babe Ruth died"

What a stupid move on their part Steve.  I guess the ave Joe wouldn't know that information.

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Permalink Reply by Rick Meyer on December 19, 2011 at 7:33pm

You would think the authenticator would research this as well.  I saw a Pat Tillman single signed mini helmet authenticated by this guy on a mini helmet with the new  Cardinal logo........designed 3 years after his death. I saw another obvious Tillman forgery with this guys name on it but think it was with a GAI sticker. After seeing that I wouldn't trust him to authenticate his own signature.

I have copies of both still saved on my computer in AZ. I'll try and dig them out when I get home next week so everyone can get a laugh.

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Permalink Reply by EjsWurhl on December 19, 2011 at 9:18pm

For $250 a piece, Ill take a dozen.  Maybe if the person selling these jacked the price up to $2000-$2300 then their gig would last longer.

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Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on December 20, 2011 at 1:10pm

You can't go just by that, Mike. People who don't know any better send genuine stuff to ACE, TTA, PAAS and the FDEs. But no one in the know who wanted to get market value would offer a genuine autograph with just their authentication.

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Permalink Reply by LM on December 20, 2011 at 1:15pm

I agree Steve....the authentication by ACE is the BIG ?? here...and this is exactly why I am going to forward this to Rich Simon for his review...Thanks for that information, by the way....All of this input has been extremely valuable and I would recommend this site for amateurs or pros alike..great group with a wide variety of knowledge

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