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Permalink Reply by DB on April 30, 2012 at 6:54am

Mike, the only fly (well more than one) in the ointment on this thinking is that it flies in the face of "careful" examination using thier "published documented approaches" if they are not reviewing in the office.

These people don't see you getting it signed. 

Case in point, recent show - I have JSA on one side and PSA with their "curtain" on the other side.  I have a ball from Mike Lowell done by JSA and a Basketball with Sam Jones, Bill Russell and John Havlichek (JH previously certed by Tri-Star) but am told I have to pay another $25.00 to have Havlichek redone.  A ripoff from my perspective but nonetheless.

Having said this, they have no idea whether I got any of these signatures from the show or just walked in with them.  Noone asked for my show stubs nor did either one of them do a "umptiy ump" carefull analysis.  Just got back the LOA from PSA which states about invivislbe ink etc...   but I wonder how that could be as I kept the ball and they took pictures of it behind the wizard's curtain.

There are other experiences as well but suffice to say - if they didn't see it signed then they CANNOT sticker it with an "in the presence" coa legitmately from my perspective.

Permalink Reply by DB on April 30, 2012 at 7:32am

I understand this Mike - and I agree they need to have alot better exemplars than they currently have as well as better trained eyes to evaluate them.

The show example is extremely relevent as it also illustrates a lack of careful analysis by either authentication firm.  They both ran with the presumption that they just came from the show.  The only one that was a problem was Havlichek even though Tri-Star certs are better than both PSA or JSA. 

and what I was reacting to was this portion of your statement;

..so you hand one of these guys your stuff and he takes it home. certing in his free time or simply taking the stuff to the office and doing it when he actually works at the office.

However, I concur that if they DID see it as you suggest then the rest of the dicussion is moot.  But, if there are hundreds etc.. involved then they frankly can't assume it was signed and "they" in fact observed it being signed... just like the show.

Permalink Reply by DB on April 30, 2012 at 8:58am

Unless of course you just want to add one more to the existing cert w/o having to go over all of them a 2nd time.  Multi-signed items are not their strongpoints.

Good Points Mike and the ones coming from your perspectives are how you call out.  Don't know if someone has a bone to pick with either one....

taking another look it appears there ar 99 In-Person ones including several from Harriison Ford which do make me wonder since he has been selective of when/how he signs (i.e. celebrity authentics/coolwater).  The Sackhoff's are misidentified as they are BSG pics not CSI ones.  Either way, these clearly have In The Presence PSA/DNA Certs.

The other 701 (of those I spot checked) seem to have the more prevalent examined and certified coa (of the ones you can read) from PSA/DNA and some others with a full loa (like the cast signed sons of anarchy).  In that batch are several Al Pacino's (and from this place I have learned he is not considered a common signer) and a few Indiana Jones that don't have an ITP coa.  Those all appear to have the common verbiage of  ...do not sell any autograph that I did not personally see get signed or a employee of schu45 obtained. 

If in fact they are "authentic" and the only issue is the verbiage being misleading (and that isn't a surprise on ebay listings) then who cares or if it's sobrero pulling these in be they Keanu Reeves, Larry Bird/Magic or whoever as an "employee" if that's the case then again who cares.

Permalink Reply by Richard S. Simon on April 29, 2012 at 5:22pm

Mike - I am curious, do those PSA authenticators who are out in the street every day, do they sell those autographs that they get in the street?

Do they authenticate autographs in the street? You seem to be hedging your bets on that statement. You know they are in the street but you are not really sure if they are authenticating in the street.

Just curious, how do you know they are in the street every day?

You seem to be quite knowledgable about this, actually naming names, that is why I am asking you.

Permalink Reply by Richard S. Simon on April 29, 2012 at 6:14pm

Why are these replies not listed in chronological order?

Is it the fault of my ISP? My computer?

Is anyone else seeing these replies in jumbled order?

Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on April 29, 2012 at 7:12pm

It's the way these boards thread replies. Yes, it is maddening and causes constant confusion.

Permalink Reply by Chad B on April 29, 2012 at 8:42pm

I am with you. I wish they were posted in the order received. It is hard to keep up with.

 

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on April 29, 2012 at 9:09pm

Replies are nested under what they're replying to. It's different than the typical bulletin board program like they use on Net54.

Permalink Reply by DB on April 30, 2012 at 3:04am

the only issue with the nesting is when there is a good conversation underway with multiple thoughts, as Steve says, they are nested.

However, if you jump back to an earlier thought the indented nest is for that thought and may appear somehat bizzarre (as in what was the question) and made more difficult when the pages change based on the volume.

with that in play they give the appearance of jumbled but the paging is more a culprit when there are multiple responses.

Permalink Reply by Brandon Mysinger on April 30, 2012 at 4:58am

I hate the "nesting"  I would dare say that half of the new comments are missed.  There should be an option as to how you want the replys to appear.

Also, I wish you could click on a comment from the main page and it linked directly to that comment instead of the thread's front page. Having to weed through the "nests" is frustrating.

Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on April 30, 2012 at 5:59am

The nesting necessitates having to click on every notification email to see the posts. You can't just go to the first new one and go from there. :-(

To see the new reply from the front page, click on the word reply (or commented or whatever it is). That will take you to the new comment. If you click on the thread title, that will always take you to page 1.

Permalink Reply by DB on April 30, 2012 at 6:01am

it does get cumbersome that why you have to link via the comment sent to the email system to keep track of who said what.  That is cumbersome but I have noticed that if you don't it seems to only go to that "page's currency" and if there are other commentary you might not see them at all without doing a page refresh which appears to do a "thread" refesh but one might still not know which comment is new..

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