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Permalink Reply by terry ryan on July 12, 2017 at 10:44am

I confronted the seller who has now taken it down but still insisted it was genuine. I also reported it to Ebay in the hope others wouldnt buy it and get scammed.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/201982000403?euid=e91fcff4fdcb435284f51b0...

Sellers address on Business seller information

PHILIP WINTER
The Hollies
Church Drive
Norton Disney
Lincolnshire
LN6 9JX
United Kingdom

Phone:7941156502
Email:centrallscapes@aol.com

Hope this helps others not get scammed

Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on July 12, 2017 at 11:51am

Is this the same seller who offered the other vintage "best wishes" examples in this thread?

Permalink Reply by Pete Bendu on July 12, 2017 at 11:00am

It is very possible that those two are the same piece, when I could get nice clear images on pieces, I just added them to the file.

I just grabbed a random handful to post.  

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 12, 2017 at 11:38am

Here's the one from the eBay listing Terry pointed to. I cropped it closer:

Permalink Reply by Mike T on July 12, 2017 at 11:50am

The handwriting is spot on, details down to the paper color, aging, crop and tape residue. If that is fake, its probably the best fake autograph I have ever seen.

Permalink Reply by Steve Zarelli on July 12, 2017 at 11:53am

That is what I was getting at...

1. Is the the same dealer that offered the others?
2. This one is personalized, which does not fit the pattern of the others. Are we sure it's bad?

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 12, 2017 at 12:01pm

The one on the index card looks naturally signed to me. The one on blue is very likely a machine-produced near reproduction. Just different enough not to be exactly the same.

Permalink Reply by Mike T on July 12, 2017 at 12:08pm

I don't see any evidence of the blue one being machine signed Steve, can you elaborate?

Permalink Reply by Steve Cyrkin, Admin on July 12, 2017 at 12:19pm

Maybe I'm wrong on it, but I'm seeing ink pooling that I would not expect to see.

Permalink Reply by Mike T on July 12, 2017 at 12:24pm

I think what you are seeing is typical of a vintage ballpoint signature, which makes it even more impressive as a forgery.

Permalink Reply by terry ryan on July 12, 2017 at 1:39pm

Surely the fact the seller has now taken it down from ebay is a guilty sign though?

Permalink Reply by Joe W. on July 12, 2017 at 1:50pm

Just because a seller pulls an item does not imply guilt. A good seller will pull an item to be further evaluated and could relist it in the future. I still am in the opinion that this signature is authentic. Again, if Pete says it is not, I believe, in my eyes, then it is a very good forgery. And, I am all the more educated.

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