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I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?

Started this discussion. Last reply by Woody2Shoes on Thursday. 13 Replies

Thank you for taking the time to look at my baseball that I am pretty sure was signed by Babe Ruth, and thanks for offering your opinion on that as well as regarding the other attributes that you are…Continue

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Woody2Shoes replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"And as in many instances on vintage signed baseballs, understanding the baseball itself, before even considering the add-ons, is an essential element of determining authenticity. I've seen instances of authenticated signatures on anachronistic…"
Thursday
Ezra Spurlock replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"As far as I can tell, the two were signed by different mediums. the "Japan 1934" appears to be ball point, while the suspected signatures are fountain pen, with likely iron gall ink. The only way to know for sure, is to have a spectrograph…"
Thursday
John Spillane replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"Woody! Thank you! Great stuff!!!"
Aug 12
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Aug 12
Eric K. Longo replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"This has been very interesting. Thank you both."
Aug 12
Woody2Shoes replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"Just an update, nothing more on any historical Golden Kite connection with a baseball. Still exploring and will update as soon as, and if, I know more."
Aug 12
CuJo replied to Steve P.'s discussion Is this Chuck Norris sig good?
"Let's just say I have seen a ton of Chuck Norris signatures and his crew and I would say this looks good. I have had real signatures, not Chuck Norris, been claimed to be not real by self proclaimed autograph experts. I have been around a lot…"
Aug 10
CuJo replied to Steve P.'s discussion Is this Chuck Norris sig good?
"Steve - My guys with the Chuck Norris camp said that if it isn't someone did a great job of making it look like Chuck's signature. I thought it was legit too. I hope this helps - CuJo "
Aug 9
CuJo replied to Steve P.'s discussion Is this Chuck Norris sig good?
"Hey - I do not want to overstep who I am but I have done some movie and TV stuff. I will see if I can get this to one of Chuck's people and ask him what he thinks and tell them I don't want a friend to get stung. I will see what he says.…"
Aug 8
Woody2Shoes replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"After reviewing internet search engines, trying to find something using related searches, thus far, this may be the only place that anyone has discussed a Golden Kite insignia on a baseball! If the ball was mass produced with the insignia (more…"
Aug 8
Woody2Shoes replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"Thusfar, I'm leaning toward the idea that this was a ball, or part of a group of baseballs manufactured for a special occasion as the inking of Golden Kite insignia appears to be stamped onto the panel prior to assembly! The insignia looks…"
Aug 7
Woody2Shoes replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"It's not so much the Babe "signatures" appearing twice on the ball as it is that the "Babe" from both names written/stamped/whatever on the ball are so close in formation that it appears one was copied from the other! The…"
Aug 7
CuJo replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"OK - thanks so much for that analysis. This ball has been driving me crazy and I see your logic in coming to the conclusions and I also see what you mean about the 1934 date looking like it was written by someone else. I also noticed that the 2 Babe…"
Aug 7
CuJo replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"Wow - Thanks so much for your time Woody - I am new here and am just now figuring out how out how to use this site. I compared the Ruth signatures to many of them that have been authenticated and I believe the JAPAN 1934 looks like it might be in a…"
Aug 7
Woody2Shoes replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"John, still working with the baseball. Trying to get a full understanding of it; it's origins, purpose, availability at the time, etc., etc. Addressing the inscription, I'd be very surprised if that's in Ruth's hand. His J's…"
Aug 7
John Spillane replied to CuJo's discussion I was told this baseball is covered with the symbol of the Order of the Golden Kite - Babe Ruth Auto Real?
"Splendid, Woody! Can't wait for the analysis."
Aug 7

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I have been collecting for years and am getting more into collecting autographs or autographed memorabilia should I say. I have started to see all of these supposed authentication companies popping up, not just for autographs certification but also for grading. I notified eBay that they needed to start some kind of system to stop all the Reprint and Fake companies and forgeries, etc., going on with their site. I just happened to look up autograph forgeries or something of the sort and your site came up. So I came on here and read an interesting article about BOX SCORE COLLECTABLES and I liked it and agreed to it so thought I would join up here to see what is going on and to also make some new sports memorabilia associates.
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A random online search on forgeries and or fake COA companies that lead me to your site.
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Sports, History/Politics, Books/Literature, Modern Hollywood and Stage, Classic Hollywood and Stage, Music, SciFi, Horror, Space/Aviation/Military
Tell us more about your collection, specific areas of interest, etc.:
I filled out everything above because I am also into antiques and appreciate vintage things. I have some old furniture and what not and will grab a decent autographed celebrity photo here and there although I have done some cheesy movies myself and worked with guys like Arnold Schwarzenegger and Hulk Hogan. I like vintage movie posters and will grab some vintage music memorabilia if it catches my eye. My friend has one of the first photos of Lincoln with the cracked glass and I wanted to buy it but the price was in the millions. Old military stuff is very cool. I am always looking for old crocks. The ones with the big red wings are the oldest, followed by the ones with the smaller red wings. But for me the easiest collectibles are sports memorabilia. It is easy to grab an old vintage card and slap in to your collection or a plaque and put on the wall. I am also getting into autographed baseball bats and jerseys but I think any kind if signed gear is col. I am trying to find help on establishing the real value of some very unique sports collectibles I have that includes names like Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Jim Brown, and John Elway. I have some Cal Ripken Junior 24 karat gold porcelain 98-T Rookie cards that were authenticated by Rollie Fingers Authentication in neat authentication protectors. The Babe Ruth baseball is a real mystery with a little bit of a story and Japanese history behind all the information attached to it and it is supposedly from the 1934 Japan Barnstorming Tour.
What is your level of expertise?
Intermediate Collector, Long Time Lover
What is your favorite autograph in your collection?
I would have to say this is a tie between Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig. Although the baseball is obviously stellar and widely recognized, I have a rather unique piece of Lou Gehrig memorabilia that is one of my favorites that looks like it came right out of the Baseball Hall of Fame as it has his immortal vintage brown and white photo of him finishing up a full swing at the plate, and off to the right on top is his signature and below this his lifetime stats. At the bottom of this it says INDUCTED INTO BASEBALL HALL OF FAME 1939. You probably know that the 1939 was the first year of its existence. OK, I figure you have had enough....Haaaa.
Why do you collect?
Vintage things. And as a kid started collecting any card I could get my hands on. I guess it is because my grandpa did and he got me hooked. We used to find old townships and use metal detectors and long claw type rakes to dig up really cool old things and you never knew what your were going to find. I have a true appreciation for vintage things of all kinds. I even have old bottles and the old glass posts/insulators that used to hold the telephone lines on the poles. I have some of the very aged green and blue and even brown one's that we dug up.
You can ask anyone living or dead for their autograph. Who would it be?
This is hard - Jesus - Moses - John Wayne - Vince Lombardi - Elvis - George Washington - Samson - Marilyn Monroe - Babe Ruth - Joe DiMaggio - Mickey Mantle - William Wallace - Leonidas - IBeethoven - Amadias - Nostrodamus - Charles Lindbergh - General Patton

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At 7:10pm on July 10, 2018, Christopher Williams said…

CJ, you should post photos of some of your items.

At 5:16pm on July 10, 2018, Christopher Williams said…

Welcome to AML, CJ.

BoxScore Collectibles is one of dozens of "Florida" COAs that have infected the hobby with thousands upon thousands of forgeries.

As for Ebay, they used to have a team in place to eradicate the forgeries, but Ebay quickly observed that they were losing too much money by removing the forgeries.

Enjoy yourself here.  Lots of great people here!!!

 
 
 

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