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My Love/Hate Relationship with Liz Phair

The “love” part of my love/hate relationship with singer/songwriter/ Liz Phair is her music. She has amazing songs and I think her album “Exile in Guyville” is one of the best records ever made.

The “hate” part are the times I’ve tried to get her autograph.

The first time I ever attempted to get her autograph was a success. I was working in radio, and she was going into a competing radio station to do an interview. I drove down and waited in the parking lot. She got out of the car and was carrying some stuff as I approached. Now, I had read she was a bit shy and suffered from stage fright. That made me reluctant to really gush over her as much as I wanted. I brought my two favorite CDs of hers and asked if she’d sign them. She graciously did, and I said “I think the ‘Divorce Song’ is the best break-up song ever. I like it even better than Carole King’s ‘It’s Too Late’.”

She smiled and said, “Thank you! What a nice compliment.”

That night in concert she was amazing.

A year later she came to town. I brought only one CD for her to sign and it was during the sound-check before the show started. She walked out of the tour bus, looked at me, and said, “I really don’t have time right now.”

She looked angry. I simply responded, “Okay.”

After a bit of a pause, as she went towards the entrance, I told her, “I’m looking forward to the show tonight.”

She didn’t turn around.

I listened as they sound-checked, but left before she came back out.

That night, another great show. Afterwards, I was waiting by her tour bus with about 20 fans. She walked out and signed a few autographs. As she was signing my CD she said, “Hey, cool shirt!”

I was wearing an old Rolling Stones T-shirt (her album “Exile in Guyville” is a play on the Rolling Stones album “Exile on Main Street.”)

I started to say something about the Rolling Stones, and she walked away before I even finished my sentence. Oh well. At least my new CD was signed.

A few years later, she came back to town again. She released another CD and I had that, and the poster that was on the wall of the record store promoting it. At that time, she was dating her guitarist – a tall, good looking guy with lots of curly black hair.

When she got off her tour bus before the show, I asked if she’d sign the CD. She mumbled something under her breath and walked by me.

During the show that night, there was a power outage about 45 minutes into it. The crowd booed, as the band and sound guys all messed around with wires and soundboards on the stage. I went outside to smoke a cigar and talk to some friends. I was 10 minutes into my stogie when a woman came outside and said, “Don’t you guys realize Liz is back on stage? She’s just playing an acoustic guitar in the dark.”

We ran back inside (with me dropping my $8 cigar on the ground), and it was mesmerizing. This was before everyone had cell phones, and it was just a few flashlights from security that provided the light on her as she sang songs acoustically. After 30 minutes of that, the electricity was back on. Unlike when Dylan went electric to boos, we erupted in applause as she strapped on her white electric axe and went into “Supernova.”

After the show, at around 11:30, we were waiting by her bus. She walked out and said, “I don’t have time, guys. I have to put my baby to sleep.”

The next year when she came to town, I decided I was going to get her a gift. Since my favorite song (Divorce Song) contains a line “It’s true that I stole your lighter”…I had that engraved onto a Zippo lighter, with the other side having her name and one of the early logos she used on an album. It cost me a pretty penny, but hey – the amount of enjoyment I’ve gotten from her music over the years made it worth it.

Again, I showed up in the afternoon to try to catch her at the sound-check, before the big crowds would arrive. She came out of the bus and said she would sign my CD later. I was holding the lighter in my hand but didn’t have a chance to hand it over. I merely said,  “Okay, cool.”

After an hour, she came out with her boyfriend. She glanced over at me. I was probably 200 feet away. I didn’t want to rush over to them. I figured she’d come over. Well, her and her boyfriend started walking the opposite direction, towards one of the big malls in downtown San Diego. As I watched them walk farther and farther away, I wondered if I should go chase after her. Surely she’d sign the CD, and accept the gift. Yet I started feeling like that would be a stalker move.

I drove home, anxiously anticipating that nights concert and plotting how I’d give her the gift by the tour bus. As usual, it was great set of songs she performed.

During the show she talked about somebody recognizing her name at that mall. She said the sales clerk looked at her credit card and said, “Oh, Liz Phair…like the singer.”

Phair told us, “I’m not sure why she didn’t think it was me.”

Lionel Richie once told a similar story in concert. He said, “How come when people meet me, they always say my name with a question mark? It’s always ‘Lionel?’”

I don’t think celebrities realize, us regular folks aren’t expecting to run into them somewhere. So if you see an actor or singer you’re a fan of at the mall, you’ll just assume it’s a person that looks like them or has the same name.

Yet after the show, we never saw her and security was pushing people around and telling us to leave.

As my friends and I were walking to the car, I looked at the lighter. I thought perhaps I’d just keep it for myself, until I noticed something. They spelled the word lighter wrong. It said “Lightr.”

On the other side of the lighter, it said “Liz Fair.” I have no clue how they could’ve spelled it wrong, as I had written out exactly what it was supposed to say. I guess the lesson is – when having something engraved, check it carefully before they gift wrap it. Although this part of the story does help things end in a positive note. I took the lighter back the next day and they gave me a $50 refund.

Years later she came back for a show at a much smaller venue – the Belly Up Tavern in Solana Beach. I was surprised to see she came out and signed autographs. I was without the lighter, and without anything for her to sign. Oh well. Maybe next time.    

Here are the lyrics to the “Divorce Song”…perhaps the best break-up song ever.

And when I asked for a separate room

It was late at night, and we'd been driving since noon.
But if I'd known how that would sound to you
I would have stayed in your bed for the rest of my life
Just to prove I was right
That it's harder to be friends than lovers
And you shouldn't try to mix the two
'Cause if you do it and you're still unhappy
Then you know that the problem is you.
And it's true that I stole your lighter
And it's also true that I lost the map
But when you said that I wasn't worth talking to
I had to take your word on that.
But if you'd known how that would sound to me
You would have taken it back
And boxed it up and buried it in the ground
Boxed it up and buried it in the ground
Boxed it up and buried it in the ground
Burned it up and thrown it away.


You put in my hands a loaded gun
And then told me not to fire it.
When you did the things you said were up to me
And then accused me of trying to f**k it up.


But you've never been a waste of my time
It's never been a drag
So take a deep breath and count back from ten
And maybe you'll be alright.


And the license said you had to stick around until I was dead
But if you're tired of looking at my face, I guess I already am.
But you've never been a waste of my time
It's never been a drag
So take a deep breath and count back from ten
And maybe you'll be alright

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Tags: Carole King, Divorce Song, Exile in Guyville, Lionel Richie, Liz Phair, Rolling Stones

Comment by Xwiesy on February 2, 2014 at 10:20am
*In person collectors, not signers. Sorry about the typo.
Comment by Josh Board on February 2, 2014 at 11:12pm

Hey...thanks for that, X man! And Jeffrey Kite...I will be hiring you if I ever need a lawyer (even if you aren't licensed to practice law).

These comments reminded me of two stories (god, doesn't everything remind me of a story?). When I was in high school in the '80s, former NBA player Stu Lantz (now the Lakers announcer), he would show up every other week as a counselor. I brought in my old basketball cards for him to autograph. He signed them (we'd talk each week about his old NBA days, as I was a basketball nut; he even came to my game one time, and another time when we played against his son, who was damn good!). ANyway, he asked if he could have one of his rookie cards. He didn't have any. It was when TOPPS made the bigger cards for basketball players, in 1968/69. I gave it to him, and he said "Can you autograph it for me? Write something on there." I was surprised, and flattered. Yet instead of writing "I enjoy our talks" or something like that, I went all pro athlete and simply wrote "best wishes, Josh Board." Hahahahahaah. 

The other story...a person I know in San Diego (nice guy, but he ticks me off because he's a dealer, and the artists always get that vibe from him, which hurts the rest of us). He's not pushy though, so that's cool. He lets the fans get their stuff signed first, then moves in with his baseballs, golf flags, or electric guitars (which are usually refused by the musicians, as they know people sell those). Well, he told me for years, he'd always bring pornographic photos for BB King, since he liked them. And it always got him on the tour bus, for multiple things signed (word to the wise, if you're trying to get him).

Comment by John H on February 8, 2014 at 5:11pm

Not to bash Josh, but I can see where Carlos is coming from.  How many times do you need to meet and get an autograph from the same celebrity?  There was just that incident with George Brett where he was approached by a guy for the 35th time and threatened him.  THIRTY FIVE TIMES.  I give him credit.   I would have lost it way earlier than that.  My favorite band is Van Halen, but I couldn't imagine trying to meet Eddie Van Halen multiple times to get his autograph.  Once would suffice, but maybe it's just me.

Comment by Josh Board on February 8, 2014 at 9:56pm

John H -- First, I don't take the above comment as bashing at all, but thank you for starting that way. Second, what you're stating isn't correct. Carlos did not bash me for getting multiple autographs. He bashed me for giving a gift to an artist I admire and am a fan of. Third, you bring up a good point (although a different point than Carlos). I've met Tony Gwynn about 35 times (the luxury of living in San Diego and being in the media). I've gotten his autograph 3 times. One of those times was for a friend. But to answer your question (as it's a great one)...each time, she had a new CD out. So I brought that item for a signature, as I don't like to bring multiple items to get signed (you look like a dealer and not a fan). When I interviewed Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull)...which I will post in my blog sometime soon, I asked him why he was sometimes rude to autograph fans. He said "Isn't one enough?" (the more detailed answer, again, will appear when I post the interview with him). He said he got one singers autograph that he loved. He framed it, and when he met the guy again, he had no desire for a second autograph. He doesn't understand why others aren't the same. I laughed and said, "Well...do I have you autograph Aqualung, your most famous album? Or do I pick Benefits...or A Passion Play? I love all three. Do you see the dilemma!!!!"  

Comment by Erich Jerozal on February 8, 2014 at 10:07pm

I have passion play......great album..  I could listen to it everyday almost.  I have it on vinyl too. 

Comment by John H on February 9, 2014 at 4:20am

Josh-

I guess that best way to answer your question is that I would pick my favorite album by that artist and get that one signed.  And that would be the end of it.  But I like I stated before, it is just my opinion.  People can take part in the hobby any way they choose.

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