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Permalink Reply by Marc Koenig on April 17, 2019 at 11:22am

I have not purchased anything yet. The auction is not over. If I were to win the photo, I would then pursue the LOA from Mr. Caiazzo. 

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Permalink Reply by Choson1 on April 18, 2019 at 7:55pm

Marc, just make sure it is a real signed photo with live ink. be wary of framed items

I have the same perfect copy photo from the attached auction in 2002.

Someone paid one $40 k in Lelands.

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Permalink Reply by Marc Koenig on April 18, 2019 at 8:39pm

Thanks for the advice/warning. Thanks for the link. I had done some searching but hadn’t found that auction sale. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on April 19, 2019 at 7:59am

...the Authenticity Guarantee does NOT apply to: (a) any lot where the lot description itself notes that there is a conflict of opinion as to the authenticity of the lot; (b) frames, bases or other means of mounting that may be sold with the actual artifact or work of art contained within the lot; and (c) any lot where the purchaser is unable to return the lot to GHRR at its place of business in the same condition as it was at the time of sale and free and clear from any claims by third parties..."

+1 to Choson. How would you examine it (Help photo) out of frame? I'd have to ask about this one. Some other houses don't guarantee anything behind glass to start.

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Permalink Reply by Marc Koenig on April 19, 2019 at 9:53am

Eric,

Good info and thoughts. They say that they have examined it outside of the frame, that it hasn’t been glued/mounted or damaged, and it was  framed by a high and framer, well known to them. BTW, IF I were to purchase this, I would plan to have it reframed to my tastes  

Regarding possible difficulties in authenticating due to it being in glass.  Isn’t a COA from Frank Caiazzo enough of an assurance? If Frank is the best, which I believe him to be, he wouldn’t put his name on the authentication if he felt he could not examine it adequately and have confidence in it, correct? I do appreciate your input and I obviously want to have the highest confidence level possible when contemplating such a purchase. Just sharing my thought process. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on April 19, 2019 at 10:23am

Hi Marc,

I'd hope they have - but I might bet that if you open the frame to examine the condition for yourself you would void any recourse. I'd ask about this. I could not take the word of any peice of paper with this kind of $ involved (not re authenticity here, but condition). I would need to see it for myself - unframed - for damage at least. Many auction houses say "Fine" condition for just about everything but that is a catchall. This is listed as "Very Good" which is always less than "Fine" - why? Emulsion issues? Other? They could have snapped a photo showing the back etc. And remember, with regard to the condition the Terms state - "...The Physical Condition Guarantee applies from the date of the lot’s sale and expires at 5:00 p.m. (buyer’s time zone) on the date on which the buyer receives delivery of the lot....". That is not a lot of time. And with this "...ALL LOTS ARE SOLD “AS IS.” BOTH GHRR AND ITS CONSIGNORS HEREBY DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, BOTH EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING (WITHOUT LIMITATION) THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS ...". I'm just trying to explain my thought process as well :) What matters is if you are comfortable - not me, obviously.

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Permalink Reply by Marc Koenig on April 19, 2019 at 11:41am

All very good and helpful info and thoughts. Thanks!!

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Permalink Reply by Marc Koenig on April 19, 2019 at 12:51pm

Everyone’s input has been helpful. Following my additional inquiries, they have taken the photo out of the frame, further examined it, and have modified the listing, without framing.

https://www.gottahaverockandroll.com/mobile/LotDetail.aspx?inventor...

They have provided the following additional info: “it’s dry mounted on foam core.  We don’t see any smudges, there is some very light surface creasing.  We don’t see any scuffs.  The description is being amended to say it is not framed.”

Any additional thoughts on it? How much does the mounting impact the value?   It’s certainly a factor. However, it’s still a beautiful item, with great signatures with black felt pen, and later era signatures than the other Beatles signatures I own. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on April 19, 2019 at 2:02pm

It is mounted. "... They say that they have examined it outside of the frame, that it hasn’t been glued/mounted or damaged..." - well...that is kind of hard to miss, no?

Precisely the sort of thing I was getting at, mounting and/or creases/emulsion issues - both facts are now known. "Has not" just became "has" with a few questions...

The next thing I would wonder is "what kind of foam core?" Cheaper/older foam core will be acidic, while modern/archival boards are made for the purpose. And what adhesive? Important questions that have to do with long term stability. If done recently/properly it might be reversible. I would not want to have to make these observations and decisions in under 24 hours which is what it appears they give you for condition.

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Permalink Reply by fab432 on April 20, 2019 at 5:07am

Do they always extend bidding on lies with no bids?

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Permalink Reply by Marc Koenig on April 20, 2019 at 9:45am

I passed on these. I wasn’t comfortable with the photo being mounted, for that price and the condition of the program wasn’t great, for the price. Neither item sold. Thanks for help, everyone. 

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Permalink Reply by Eric Keith Longo on April 20, 2019 at 9:56am

I would have had to do the same. I'm happy to have tried and help :)

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